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    I believe in a few years, he'll be as good as Durant and LeBron. He just needs to be more aggressive and make better decisions. If he can develop a jump shot like Durant, he'll be unstoppable
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    I believe in a few years, he'll be as good as Durant and LeBron. He just needs to be more aggressive and make better decisions. If he can develop a jump shot like Durant, he'll be unstoppable
    I wouldnt go as far as saying he'll be as good as Durant and Lebron...However, I would say PG will be a consistent all star (not a superstar)
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    Let's hope for star first. I wouldn't even consider Reggie a superstar, so that's waaaaaaay out there.

    And better than LeBron? Do you mean, "better than LBJ in the last year before he retires"?
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    Let's hope for star first. I wouldn't even consider Reggie a superstar, so that's waaaaaaay out there.

    And better than LeBron? Do you mean, "better than LBJ in the last year before he retires"?
    Reggie was definitely a superstar
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    Reggie was definitely a superstar
    You have a broader definition of superstars than most.

    If Reggie was a superstar, then there were 15-20 superstars playing in the NBA during the 90's. That was always Reggie's range in any given season. At no point was he ever considered top-10, and only three times in 18 seasons was he ever considered top-15.
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    You have a broader definition of superstars than most.

    If Reggie was a superstar, then there were 15-20 superstars playing in the NBA during the 90's. That was always Reggie's range in any given season. At no point was he ever considered top-10, and only three times in 18 seasons was he ever considered top-15.

    yeah there were. Number of the players in the 90s were great leaders, great scorers, great passers, and they were clutch
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    The term superstar's always high debatable. In my opinion, it's not simply about on-the-court ability, but also about star-appeal and charisma (marketability, basically). The latter two factors are while I would consider Reggie Miller much closer to being a superstar than someone like, say, Mitch Richmond or Glen Rice, two comparable talents, or possibly even Clyde Drexler, who was a superior talent.

    Was Reggie ever a top-10 player in the league? Maybe not, but I dare say there's not 10 players primarily associated with 90's basketball who have left a bigger legacy. His charisma and flair for the dramatic clearly placed him above players of similar -- arguably even superior -- skill-levels.

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    Superstar is very rare. In any given season there might be 4. So no, George will never be a superstar. But then I never considered Reggie a superstar. Right now we have Lebron, Durant. That really might be it. Kobe probably has fallen just below superstar status. But my standard for Superstar is really high

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    High school players aside--a player RARELY becomes a Superstar. Most of the time when a player enters the league, they're already good, and by their second or third season they have reached superstar status.

    Guys like Lebron, KD, D12, CP3, etc had signs of dominating games within their first two seasons. Some even within their rookie season.

    I could see PG being an all star, and maybe a bonafide star someday if he really improves. But superstar? I don't see it.

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    High school players aside--a player RARELY becomes a Superstar. Most of the time when a player enters the league, they're already good, and by their second or third season they have reached superstar status.

    Guys like Lebron, KD, D12, CP3, etc had signs of dominating games within their first two seasons. Some even within their rookie season.
    My problem with this line of reasoning is that a player can only produce relative to the opportunity (role + minutes) he's given. All of the players you mentioned were given the opportunity to put up big numbers from the get-go. This isn't a knock against those players, as they each thrived in the major roles they were given, but it's unfair to compare their production to someone who played less than 30 mpg and was sixth on his team in usage rate. You could argue that if George was a future superstar, he would've been given a bigger role in the Pacers' offense, but we know from past experience that this reasoning doesn't hold. There have been multiple future superstars who played roles equal to, or lesser than, George's role in their first two seasons.



    Looking at the four players you mentioned, and the five (excluding Paul George) players I posted above, something interesting stand out: None of the four "instant superstars" were drafted any lower than fourth, and all played on teams that were sub-.500 during their first two seasons. On the other hand, all five of the developed superstars were drafted at 9th or later, and three of the five were with winning teams.

    Here it is broken down. Player, draft position, team record in their two seasons.

    Developed Superstars
    Kobe Bryant: 13th, 117-47
    Tracy McGrady: 9th, 39-93
    Steve Nash: 15th, 96-68
    Dirk Nowitzki: 9th, 59-73
    Scottie Pippen: 9th, 97-67

    Instant Superstars
    Kevin Durant: 2nd, 43-121
    Dwight Howard: 1st, 72-92
    LeBron James: 1st, 77-87
    Chris Paul: 4th, 77-87

    If you look at Paul George's draft position (10th), and the Pacers team he was drafted onto (79-69), it may be unprecedented in modern times that he would become a superstar right out of the gate. Playoff-caliber teams simply do not give late-lottery (and later) rookies the type of roles required to produce like superstars.

    If anyone disagrees, then here's a challenge: Find a player drafted in the past 20 years who became a superstar in his first two seasons while (a) being drafted 9th or later, and (b) playing on an above-.500 team those first two seasons.

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    My problem with this line of reasoning is that a player can only produce relative to the opportunity (role + minutes) he's given. All of the players you mentioned were given the opportunity to put up big numbers from the get-go. This isn't a knock against those players, as they each thrived in the major roles they were given, but it's unfair to compare their production to someone who played less than 30 mpg and was sixth on his team in usage rate. You could argue that if George was a future superstar, he would've been given a bigger role in the Pacers' offense, but we know from past experience that this reasoning doesn't hold. There have been multiple future superstars who played roles equal to, or lesser than, George's role in their first two seasons.



    Looking at the four players you mentioned, and the five (excluding Paul George) players I posted above, something interesting stand out: None of the four "instant superstars" were drafted any lower than fourth, and all played on teams that were sub-.500 during their first two seasons. On the other hand, all five of the developed superstars were drafted at 9th or later, and three of the five were with winning teams.

    Here it is broken down. Player, draft position, team record in their two seasons.

    Developed Superstars
    Kobe Bryant: 13th, 117-47
    Tracy McGrady: 9th, 39-93
    Steve Nash: 15th, 96-68
    Dirk Nowitzki: 9th, 59-73
    Scottie Pippen: 9th, 97-67

    Instant Superstars
    Kevin Durant: 2nd, 43-121
    Dwight Howard: 1st, 72-92
    LeBron James: 1st, 77-87
    Chris Paul: 4th, 77-87

    If you look at Paul George's draft position (10th), and the Pacers team he was drafted onto (79-69), it may be unprecedented in modern times that he would become a superstar right out of the gate. Playoff-caliber teams simply do not give late-lottery (and later) rookies the type of roles required to produce like superstars.

    If anyone disagrees, then here's a challenge: Find a player drafted in the past 20 years who became a superstar in his first two seasons while (a) being drafted 9th or later, and (b) playing on an above-.500 team those first two seasons.
    Good Post. If you notice in my post, I said it RARELY happens, not that it never happens. Out of the developed superstar category, 2 were drafted out of high school. It takes some time to be physically ready for the NBA straight out of H.S. Dirk was a Euro player, and was essentially a H.S. player at that point only because foreign players weren't as prevalent within the NBA at that time. (Though you had your Drazen's, Kukoc's, Divac's, etc--it wasn't like the influx we eventually saw following Dirk)

    And no he hasn't had the opportunities to blossom into a superstar. But will he ever? We have made it known that we're going to construct a TEAM where everybody is going to be a player within the offensive system. You could make an argument that every player within our starting lineup deserves 10+ FGA a game. If he hasn't had the opportunity to have superstar type usage, why would he now or in the future?

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    I think what we've seen is largely what we're going to get with Paul George. I think he'll peak at a Deng-Iguodala-Granger level in the league, which is not bad, but far from a superstar. Maybe a few All-Star appearances here or there.
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    I believe in a few years, he'll be as good as Durant and LeBron. He just needs to be more aggressive and make better decisions. If he can develop a jump shot like Durant, he'll be unstoppable
    no way on earth, in hell, on other dimensions he can be as good as those guys. he is just not that talented and whoever thinks otherwise should wake up from that dream asap imo.

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    I think he can be better than Granger and Gay. Not sure how much better. As long has he continues to play defense and getting better and better on offense, he's got a chance to be one of the best if not the best player to ever put on a Pacer uni.

    We'll see though. I'm rooting for PG to give Indiana something they have never had before.
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    I think he has the potential to be better than guys like Danny, Iggy, and Gay. At the same time, he will never get to a LeBron, Durant, Dwight, or D-Rose level.

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    After thinking about it...

    How many players in the HISTORY of the NBA has been as talented as Lebron? I'm not even a fan, but there haven't been 10 players that you can name that are without a doubt were better/more talented than a 6'9 260lb PG/SF/PF.

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    How many players in the HISTORY of the NBA has been as talented as Lebron? I'm not even a fan, but there haven't been 10 players that you can name that are without a doubt were better/more talented than a 6'9 260lb PG/SF/PF.
    Very true, but I also think you could find many who had the same potential as a LeBron or Jordan. It is just rare that players actually reach their potential.

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    No. And that's not a bad thing. He's already a great two way player. Even if he only gets marginally better he's a starter on most of the teams in the league due to his defense and the fact he has at least a mildly competent offensive game. He rebounds extremely well for a guard and plays great D, his steal and block numbers are D-Wade good defensively.

    People that think he is going to be T-Mac or whatever are going to be disappointed and that is a shame because he will still be a heck of a player.

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    Listen to all of these R.A.S. members talk like they were core, Da Smash's & Doug Adams are each having an out of body experiance right now & not even knowing why.

    Having said that, no Paul George will never be on the level of the other two. They both possess that certain something that you either have or you don't, you can't devlop it. The mind of a killer.


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    If Roy hibbert can develop a jump shot like Durant, just think of how unstoppable he'll be...

    While we're at it, if David West develops an Olajuwon-quality dream shake, George Hill learns to run a team like Magic Johnson, and Danny Granger starts passing like Larry Bird, the Pacers have an outside shot at 70 wins and a championship.

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    He isn't playing like he can take his skills to the next level, let alone a superstar level. I question his will to be great during a game, his focus to seize the moment and take over a game let alone a string of games. I truly am having my doubts, lord I hope I'm wrong!!!
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    He's shown he can score. If he could do it consistently, I'd be willing to believe he'd end up being better than Granger.

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    Considering LeBron still has a chance to be the GOAT I don't see any way for PG in his prime to reach the same level or greater...

    I do see the potential for him to be greater for his team than TMAC ever was... He will prolly never score like McGrady but I think he will average 20+ PPG with elite supporting stats for his position... And that would make him a greater asset for his team than McGrady ever was... For all the scoring numbers McGrady provided his teams he could never get them out of the first round...

    IMO - To say Paul is the next "insert player name" is silly... His overall game is VERY unique... He's the first of his kind... You don't see many 6'10" wings that excell more on D than they do O... Especially when his weaker side (offense) still has a chance to be top 10 (or possibly even 5) at his position in the league...
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    ok maybe not as good as lebron or durant, but top 10 player in the league
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    ok maybe not as good as lebron or durant, but top 10 player in the league
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