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I am expecting Gerald Green getting "significant" minutes this season

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  • I am expecting Gerald Green getting "significant" minutes this season

    And by significant I mean crunch time minutes. Saturday night was the first time I've seen this years team play and I was impressed with Green. He can do something better than anyone else on our team right now - as Vogel said in his comments after the game.

    http://www.indystar.com/article/2012...nclick_check=1

    He's just a shot maker," Pacers coach Frank Vogel said. "He's a great 3-point shooter and he has the ability whether it's a post up, on down screens or trying to create his own shot. That's a valuable weapon."

    I often harp on the Pacers needing a player who can create a shot for himself and/or teammates when the shot clock winds down, late in games when the defense tightens, and in playoff games when defense is good the whole game. Pacers have lacked that type of player for a long time. Paul George might turn into that type of player someday, Granger at times can do it, but not consistantly, right now I think Green is probably our best player in getting a shot when things breakdown.

    So I see Gerald Green playing a lot of minutes late in close games. He might not play a ton thrrough the first 40 minutes of games, but the last 8 minutes I expect him on the floor.

    Who does he take minutes from? I'm not sure. Certainly there will be times when Green, Paul George and Granger will be on the court at the same time - and I realize that means either West or Hibbert will have to sit, but I can see that happening espcially if the Pacers are down by a few points.

    I could also foresee Green taking some minutes from Paul George late in games, especially offensively. In fact there may be times very late in games when there are timeouts that we play offense - defense wiuth Green and George.

    During the summer I was thinking that maybe we would see Augustin a lot in close games either replacing George Hill or playing alongside, but I don't see that happening too often - I think Green is the bench player who plays late in games.

    (I hate to make any judgements based on preseason games, but if what I saw Saturday night from Augustin defensively is what we are going to get, I won't be happy. I thought his defense was nonexistant. I need to see more in a real game)
    Last edited by Unclebuck; 10-23-2012, 09:19 AM.

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    Re: I am expecting Gerald Green get "significant" minutes this season

    I really thought that DJ would perform much better defensively on a more defensive-oriented team. Unfortunately, nothing seems to have rubbed off on him yet and we haven't yet devised a means to cover up his weakness. Not that DC was great in that regard, but he was a step or two ahead of DJ. I'm hoping that DJ's defensive shortcomings don't prove to wash out his better fit offensively with the second unit.

    As for Green, it appears the Pacers have found a diamond in the rough. He enables so much versatility for Vogel late in games. As you've stated, they can remain big by switching out Green/West or Green/Mahinmi on possessions or go both small and more athletic by playing Green, George, Hill and Granger together. Or, since West has already proven to be a late-game go to guy, they can switch out Green/George on alternate possessions.

    I don't know how it is possible for any Pacers fan, even OlBlue, to be anything but excited about our prospects for the coming season.

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      Re: I am expecting Gerald Green get "significant" minutes this season

      Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post

      I often harp on the Pacers needing a player who can create a shot for himself and/or teammates when the shot clock winds down, late in games when the defense tightens, and in playoff games when defense is good the whole game. Pacers have lacked that type of player for a long time. Paul George might turn into that type of player someday, Granger at times can do it, but not consistantly, right now I think Green is probably our best player in getting a shot when things breakdown.

      Not to equate them but Jordan and Kobe could get a shot when they needed to because of their athletic ability.
      Green has the athletic ability certainly. He seems to have that personality of toughness that does not flinch under pressure. Definitely something the Pacers have lacked since Reggie. As Vogel said, that is a valuable weapon
      to have in your arsenal.
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        Re: I am expecting Gerald Green get "significant" minutes this season

        Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
        (I hate to make any judgements based on preseason games, but if what I saw Saturday night from Augustin defensively is what we are going to get, I won't be happy. I thought his defense was nonexistant. I need to see more in a real game)
        I think the difference between DJ and DC is that DC would go around screens to the point of ridiculous, while DJ tries to fight his way through and gets squashed like a little bug.

        Neither works well but I appreciate DJ's attitude
        BillS

        A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
        Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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          Re: I am expecting Gerald Green get "significant" minutes this season

          Buck for the "duh" moment of the year.

          6th men usually do get significant minutes. Time to step up your prediction level pal.


          As for usage and who doesn't play, it's pretty obvious to me that Roy/Ian/West is a late game rotation based on matchups, fouls, and what you need at the moment. Ditto for Danny/Paul/Green. And on top of that you can push small at times if Danny rolls to PF.

          Green is clearly going to get 20-25 a night with the option to expand on some nights, DJ should be around 15-18, Ian will be on 20-25 if he can avoid fouls, Young should see 12-15.

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            Re: I am expecting Gerald Green get "significant" minutes this season

            Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
            Buck for the "duh" moment of the year.

            6th men usually do get significant minutes. Time to step up your prediction level pal.

            OK, but really my more exact point was that I expect Green to get a lot of crunch time minutes perhaps at the expense of Paul George

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              Re: I am expecting Gerald Green get "significant" minutes this season

              Or Danny. Or even a frontline guy.

              Green's greatest improvement is his mature, cool demeanor on the court. He's got "vet" written all over him, and given his history this is a dramatic improvement though also understandable. If he hadn't found that maturity he probably wouldn't be back in the NBA in the first place.

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                Re: I am expecting Gerald Green get "significant" minutes this season

                Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                Or Danny. Or even a frontline guy.

                Green's greatest improvement is his mature, cool demeanor on the court. He's got "vet" written all over him, and given his history this is a dramatic improvement though also understandable. If he hadn't found that maturity he probably wouldn't be back in the NBA in the first place.
                This! I also think it's ENORMOUSLY important for this team to still have Brian Shaw with the team actively helping the likes George and Stepenon. Then you get vets like Danny and Green to mentor those guys aswell and it's really hugo IMHO.

                With regards to Shaw... to me he feels as important as Mike Brown was when he was an assistant with us. I REALLY hope we keep him as long as possible. It's the sort of guy you "overpay" for to remain with the team. And IF he leaves we need to get something comparable back ASAP, though that is going to be hard.

                Green. IF he keeps up this play during the season... I expext the "trade Danny" sounds to return rapidly (alas). George-Granger-Green ... G3, awesome group of players!
                Last edited by Mourning; 10-22-2012, 03:26 PM.
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                  Re: I am expecting Gerald Green get "significant" minutes this season

                  Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                  OK, but really my more exact point was that I expect Green to get a lot of crunch time minutes perhaps at the expense of Paul George
                  The most recent pre-season game is the only one I've had a chance to see, and you have pretty much echoed my thoughts about Green and Paul George. Actually I think if PG doesn't step it up, he may lose more than "crunch time" minutes to Green.

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                    Re: I am expecting Gerald Green get "significant" minutes this season

                    Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                    Young should see 12-15.
                    Wow, that would be huge.


                    "He’s no shrinking violet when it comes to that kind of stuff."

                    - Rick Carlisle on how Kevin Pritchard responds to needed roster changes.

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                      Re: I am expecting Gerald Green get "significant" minutes this season

                      Does anyone see Green's long-term Pacers' potential as more than a Sixth Man, and as an eventual starter next to Paul George?

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                        Re: I am expecting Gerald Green get "significant" minutes this season

                        Originally posted by GrangeRusHibbert View Post
                        Does anyone see Green's long-term Pacers' potential as more than a Sixth Man, and as an eventual starter next to Paul George?
                        only the Granger Haters.

                        Danny is about a billion times better player.

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                          Re: I am expecting Gerald Green get "significant" minutes this season

                          i think the 6th man roles perfect for GReen. he can still get starter type minutes there if he's worthy.

                          We still need a ball handling 2 guard. i dont see one on the roster. its not ideal having 4 SFs and a PG on the wing.





                          cue a wings a wing post...

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                            Re: I am expecting Gerald Green get "significant" minutes this season

                            Green for six man of the year for sure. Hopefully this translates to regular season. What I've seen so far is spectacular. He can dribble, shoot threes, fade away jumpers, create his own shot, obviously dunk the ball, can play defense, and plays with a fire and intensity all the time. He def has a chip on his shoulder. Instant offense on a whole other level than barbosa. I'm very impressed so far. What's not to like?

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                              Re: I am expecting Gerald Green get "significant" minutes this season

                              Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post
                              i think the 6th man roles perfect for GReen. he can still get starter type minutes there if he's worthy.

                              We still need a ball handling 2 guard. i dont see one on the roster. its not ideal having 4 SFs and a PG on the wing.





                              cue a wings a wing post...
                              why do we need a 2 that can handle the ball? sure it'd be nice, but NEED? honestly we have one, and his name's George Hill and he's going to play a ton with Augustin.

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