I like our core a lot up until 8 players.
The rest not so much but I'm totally fine with Hansbrough and Stephenson getting their last chance to prove themselves and Young as a cheaper and IMO slightly worse D Jones type of player.
Yep he "stunk", 19 and 11 against Chicago in the first preseason game while playing against Noah and Boozer
Game 2: he got 24 points and 14 rebounds against the Bulls again what a horrible player....
I guess that if Tyler with this numbers "stunk" everybody on the Pacers during this preseason has "stunk" the joint too.
Last edited by vnzla81; 10-23-2012 at 02:41 PM.
I guess he got away with bashing Luck so much he thinks he can now bash the PD equivalent of the sacred cow.
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With Mahinmi, how much do we really need him to play? And he has improved his fouling every year in the league. I think we could squeeze 16-20 minutes out of him not problem.
And Vogel could frontload his minutes as well. So if Mahinmi is having a good game of not fouling he can play more minutes. If hes having one of those games, then Tyler or Plumlee gets some minutes.
And really I am not sure why people are so worried about our Benches D. Our Bench is better offensively, and our bench last year on D was horrible against Miami. At least this lineup might be able to score some points against them.
Frankly I prefer the idea of our bench being run and gun. Pushing the pace. So when opposing teams try and play their stars against out Bench. Just have them trade points, maybe let the other team make a small dent in any possible leads. But then that leaves their stars more worn out when we put the starters back in.
If Roy sees more minutes, that means Mahinmi will almost certainly be playing against other bench players. Part of the issue last year was that Roy was playing fewer minutes, which meant Lou was playing against starters as much as bench players.
Playing our starters against other starters, and our bench against other benches - I like the match-ups.
EDIT - another part of the problem with Lou was his complete lack of offense and being under-sized for a center
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Ian has been the breakaway suprise of the off-season for me. I already had very high expectations of Green after watching him in New Jersey last season, but Ian, man, he looks like he could be a starter on some teams, and is still relatively young. Some of Ian's post moves have been very, very advanced, and he made Marc Gasol look like an ******* trying to guard him in the post, forcing him to foul 3 times in a short period and scoring twice on him.
Getting a guy like him for 4 million dollars, given the market for 7 footers who can walk and chew gum at the same time, may turn out to be one of the biggest steals in recent Pacers memory. I love, love, love getting a guy like Gerald Green, who I think can legitimately challenge for 6MOY for 3 million per too, great, shrewd moves. I'm near to the point of wanting to phase Tylers minutes out and have Ian as the primary backup at the 4 and 5 position alongside either Roy or West at almost all times, with Tyler getting minutes in blowouts and nights were people have foul trouble. His mobility has impressed me the most, he'll be an upgrade defending the pick and roll over Roy or West, and that could be huge some nights. He and Green look like they'll be a great 1 2 punch off of the bench every night.
I like alot of what I see from Augustin, but man, he's even worse than DC on D, hopefully Vogel will find a way to hide him on that end, because opponents are getting whereever they want against him every night, there are so many good point guards that it could hurt us if he ends up playing against especially starters. Love his handles, speed on offense and ability to spread the floor though. I think we'll see a shorter rotation this year, with both Ian and Green playing 20+ minutes. They offer real skills that in certain situations may make sense to sub in for certain starters, Mobility for Ian, Shooting and shot creation for Gerald.
Last edited by daschysta; 10-23-2012 at 03:26 PM.
Please stick with something reasonable. On offense, I'd say that Ian looks about 750,000,000 times better than Lou.
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After finally catching a pre-season game, and seeing Mahinmi, Green, and Augustin for myself, I felt like re-visiting this thread was a good idea.
We really did upgrade the bench.
When Hill and Granger get fully healthy, the 8-man rotation on this team will be very good. And I don't mean just adequate. I mean, our top 8 is going to be equal to or better than anyone else's top 8. Other teams may have 2, 3, even 4 players. But we have 8 guys that can start. After that, Tyler, Miles, Lance, Ben, Pendergraph... clearly not the same level, but when you start complaining at guy #9 or #10, you're in good shape.
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I'm not gonna pretend to be anything close to a Mahinmi expert, but I've gotta assume going to teams with coaches and cultures like San Antonio and Dallas had to do wonders for him. Goes to show how important culture is to reaching potential. Remember how AWESOME! Hassan Whiteside was gonna be? Hell, look at John Wall.
Mahinmi's vocality impresses me more than anything. When's the last time you saw a 7 foot bench big directing people where to go on the floor?
I was really, really skeptical, and I'm not reaching any definitive conclusion based on preseason. But hot damn, Mahinmi's the Player X thunderbird always talked about.
Bring Danny off the bench
In hindsight it did not work so good....
But I really like a rotation of G Hill, PG24, West, Lance, Hibbert, Granger, CJWatson, S Hill, and ... IanM, Plumlee OR whoever?
This team just needed a guy off the bench that could hit a jump shot. They never got it.
Granger could be key to a really GREAT season next year. If he can check his EGO Indiana is LOADED. If he is going to be a diva then he will be traded.
Regardless, I love the way this team is shaping up.
It's amazing how a contract as small as 3.5M has forced us to be "creative" in order to improve our roster this season. And really, Ian's contract isn't looking that good right now either, though he'll have a shot at trying to earn it next year in the playoffs. These aren't Murphy/Dunleavy level moves, but they are really hurtful on a small scale. I like to keep repeating it, but I thought last offseason was the worst, pound for pound, in recent memory.
When Bird was asked at the presser last week if he thought Donnie did a good job, his reply was something like "Yes, we made it to the ECF, didn't we"? That's a textbook example of how to be diplomatic.