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    Pacers to title-sponsor "Undefeated: The Roger Brown Story." Release aimed for February. Preview: http://tinyurl.com/89alvzy


    It is the moral obligation of every person who considers themselves a Pacers fan to watch this. Ok, that might be extreme but before George/Granger before O'Neal before Reggie there was Roger Brown.

    youtube embedding has been disabled so you'll have to go to this link.


    http://youtu.be/AJrgSB5do1c


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    My God I just watched that & it is gut wrenching in some spots. When Slick teared up & I had a lump in my throat.

    But to hear the great Dr. J say "the Pacers were the class of the league & Roger was the class of the class" for some reason made me proud to be a Pacer fan & I never got to see the guy play.


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    Shame this isn't a 30 for 30 documentary. But yeah, amazing. My dad when he talks about Roger Brown. He has a look that I can't even describe on his face. And my dad has always been one of those overly critical people so for him to love a player that much. He had to have been something special.

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    Thanks

    The last 90 seconds are pretty tough and I'm really glad the didn't have Slick on for 2 more seconds or I'd a lost it.

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    Wow, awesome, can't wait to see the whole thing.. He was an awesome player and at times truly unstoppable.. Like Slick, long overdue for the HOF... So glad to see this..

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    As a kid my brother and I listened to all the games during the championship years on the radio and at the end of games when the Pacers were behind or tied Slick was true to his word because he always called Roger Brown's number. I know he did not make them all but I sure seems like he made most of them.

    I can still hear Jerry Baker making the call playing in my head.

    At the time I was not old enough to understand the whole Roger Brown life story. Can't wait to watch the documentary.

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    That's why I have literally gotten into fights with Bulls fans who say we have no history. We are so blessed to have this franchise and the players that have been a part of it. There's something special about basketball in Indy and Roger was a part of it, and I think we are standing on the edge of another special Pacers era.

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    To be blackballed, unfairly, for seven long years and to THEN come back after not facing top competition in all those years is amazing. He was the age of Lebron James right now before he played a pro game.

    I'm looking forward to this movie.
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    While browsing youtube I found this nifty Roger Brown video.

    You know we talk all the time about how the Pacers have never had that "one great player" like a LeBron or Jordan or similar but after watching a few min. of that I wonder if maybe we didn't have two but most of us just never got the chance to witness it.

    Between the magic Roger was displaying on the floor & the beastlyness that Mel was dishing it's no wonder the Pacers were ABA legends.



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    While browsing youtube I found this nifty Roger Brown video.

    You know we talk all the time about how the Pacers have never had that "one great player" like a LeBron or Jordan or similar but after watching a few min. of that I wonder if maybe we didn't have two but most of us just never got the chance to witness it.

    Between the magic Roger was displaying on the floor & the beastlyness that Mel was dishing it's no wonder the Pacers were ABA legends.

    And let's not act like George McGinnis was a slouch.

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    And let's not act like George McGinnis was a slouch.
    I thought long & hard about him but didn't want to totally sound like a homer & say we had 3 superstar players on our club at once, but we did.

    Hell there are guys I know who think Freddie Lewis was one of the best point guards of all time.


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    I thought long & hard about him but didn't want to totally sound like a homer & say we had 3 superstar players on our club at once, but we did.

    Hell there are guys I know who think Freddie Lewis was one of the best point guards of all time.
    Yep. There were three teams in that era that were really stacked.

    The Knicks with Reed, Frazier, Bradley, DeBusschere, Monroe, Lucas. (and Phil Jackson)

    The Lakers with Chamberlain, West, Goodrich, Baylor. (and Pat Riley)

    and the Pacers with Brown, Daniels, McGinnis, Lewis.

    Each of those teams should have four HoF'ers, plus their coaches (Sharman, Holzman, Leonard).
    Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
    Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
    Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
    And life itself, rushing over me
    Life itself, the wind in black elms,
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    How many times do you see all those highlights of anyone and not see any dunks? Yes, he could dunk, but his game was just smoothness, taking you off the dribble, breaking ankles, in traffic, going left, going right, usually off glass. While not ever a great outside shooter, when you really needed it he could crank it up, as they mentioned him making 7 three pointers in a finals game. He had that playoff "clutch" gene.
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    It is the moral obligation of every person who considers themselves a Pacers fan to watch this. Ok, that might be extreme ...
    No its not. It IS the moral obligation of every Pacers fan to watch this.
    Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
    Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
    Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
    And life itself, rushing over me
    Life itself, the wind in black elms,
    Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you


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    I think it is the moral obligation of every basketball fan to watch it.

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    Peter Vecsey ‏@PeterVecsey1
    Pacers to title-sponsor "Undefeated: The Roger Brown Story." Release aimed for February. Preview: http://tinyurl.com/89alvzy


    It is the moral obligation of every person who considers themselves a Pacers fan to watch this. Ok, that might be extreme but before George/Granger before O'Neal before Reggie there was Roger Brown.

    youtube embedding has been disabled so you'll have to go to this link.


    http://youtu.be/AJrgSB5do1c
    That's going to be fantastic. It's an incredible story about an incredible guy, and it's a shame how unknown he is.

    Looking for more info on it, hopefully it'll be something that is reasonably easy to get access to.

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    I was privileged to see Roger in college, and as a Pacer. I got to talk to him about basketball after he retired and owned a car wash on North Keystone. Anyone who didn't see him play has missed one of the truly great players in the history of professional basketball. He was so smooth that he never looked like he was working hard, but he NEVER got caught when leading a fast break, and always seemed to get all the loose balls. He could have averaged 30 a nite, but he preferred to do whatever was necessary to win. One other thing, there were seasons where he averaged more than 40 minutes a game and routinely played 48 minutes. He made other players better and won 3 championships, I can't say much more.

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    That's why I have literally gotten into fights with Bulls fans who say we have no history. We are so blessed to have this franchise and the players that have been a part of it. There's something special about basketball in Indy and Roger was a part of it, and I think we are standing on the edge of another special Pacers era.
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    Yep. There were three teams in that era that were really stacked.

    The Knicks with Reed, Frazier, Bradley, DeBusschere, Monroe, Lucas. (and Phil Jackson)

    The Lakers with Chamberlain, West, Goodrich, Baylor. (and Pat Riley)

    and the Pacers with Brown, Daniels, McGinnis, Lewis.

    Each of those teams should have four HoF'ers, plus their coaches (Sharman, Holzman, Leonard).
    Granted, I was not alive to watch it, but would you put the 75 Colonels up there as well? Maybe not quite the starpower but Issel, Gilmore, Dampier, and a solid supporting cast.

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    You can add talented players like Donnie Freeman, Neto and others, and yes that Kentucky team was a powerhouse in any league .. There were several incredibly talented teams in the ABA... look at Utah with Willie Wise, Zelmo Beaty, Jimmie Jones, Ron Boone and others. And when the Nets won their first ABA title they had a starting lineup of Dr. J, Larry Kenon, Billy Paultz, Super John Williamson and Brian Taylor..with a strong bench, that team was loaded with star power...

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    Huge kudos to WFYI for their sponsorship of this documentary. I was a pretty young kid when
    Roger played, and only have a few fleeting memories of watching the games back then. There
    were just so so many of them, and if a game was ever on channel 4, in front of that TV set was
    right where my little butt was glued. Am looking very forward to watching this when it is aired.


    Edit: And yes, those mid-70s Kentucky Colonels teams were most definately right up there
    with the best of the best of that era.
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    So it's so obvious I'm sort of embarrassed that it just occurred to me. But this thing HAS to premiere on the new jumbotron right?

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    http://blogs.indystar.com/indysports...r-brown-movie/

    I plan to contribute to the effort, I hope each of you will as well.

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    My God I just watched that & it is gut wrenching in some spots. When Slick teared up & I had a lump in my throat.

    But to hear the great Dr. J say "the Pacers were the class of the league & Roger was the class of the class" for some reason made me proud to be a Pacer fan & I never got to see the guy play.
    Darn it Peck, you got me at work messed up. And that was just the youtube clip. I really, really hate that I didn't get to see him play live. I gotta see the rest of this.

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    Here's a good interview with the filmmaker of this project:

    http://20secondtimeout.blogspot.com/...oducer-of.html

    And understand, this project is still in need of funding. I'm not affiliated with it in any way, but I would encourage donations. Here is the best way to contribute online:

    Green is still actively raising funds for "Undefeated: The Roger Brown Story" and you can make your tax deductible contribution to this 501c3 project by visiting the WFYI page. Be sure to specify that your WFYI donation should be earmarked for "Undefeated: The Roger Brown Story."
    https://www.wfyi.org/pledgeNew/pledgeForm.php

    I'm not going to give much but I plan on chipping in at least $5.

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