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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

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A Little Feedback please

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  • A Little Feedback please

    First of all... Burnzone has been dealing with family issues that mean far more than this game ever will. I want to make sure everyone keeps that in mind when considering what I'm about to say.

    Burnzone has agreed to the almost completely thankless job of being commissioner of a league that was very close to being shut down.

    For bringing us back from the edge, we all owe him.

    I'm not sure of his current situation or his plans over the next several days. Because of this I think its wise to come up with a backup plan. Just some options to put in place incase Burnzone is needed elsewhere.

    Speed has offered to step in, should the need arise, to set up the draft.

    I'm not really sure of the current draft order, due to some resent trades.

    Also, the status of everyones protected list or even if all of our current owners are active. ccmillerbo (Haywoode Workman) was booted from the ABA for not showing up for the draft for two days. He still is listed as an owner here.

    If he doesn't remain we need to lineup some one prior to the draft to manage his team.

    Ace_E_Anderson has an interest if we have an opening.

    There might be others, I'm not sure.... I've been busy with the other two leagues and work to fully focus on the KL until now.

    Anyway.... several questions to address and as with everything else.... this is your league, so your feedback is the most important.

    What do you want to do?

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    Re: A Little Feedback please

    it's great that we have speed as an option.

    we should do the draft on PD, i think.

    haywoode workman's protected list is available on the summer thread. he posted it on sep 30. might want to PM him.
    Last edited by Frostwolf; 10-19-2012, 12:07 AM.

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    • #3
      Re: A Little Feedback please

      Originally posted by Frostwolf View Post
      it's great that we have speed as an option.

      we should do the draft on PD, i think.

      haywoode workman's protected list is available on the summer thread. he posted it on sep 30. might want to PM him.
      He skipped out on the ABA and I replaced him when he didn't show for 2 days. I also sent him a couple of PM's about it without getting a reply. I'm not saying he needs to be replaced but I seriously doubt he has any real interest in the league.

      edit: Actually I am saying he needs to be replaced. His lack of participation will only cause issues for our draft, especially drafting this close to the start of the season. With each passing day that we delay the start of the draft it magnifies the problems caused by an absent owner.

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      • #4
        Re: A Little Feedback please

        I did some pre work yesterday setting up spreadsheets, etc, just in case. I think I have everything, the draft order with all the trades (including Gerald Greene trade from yesterday), as well as our current rosters. I'm missing Roaming Gnomes protected list is all I can tell that I'm missing. I sent him a message on .ws and will send one on here. I'm probably just not seeing it. I can post what I think is the draft order on here later today, if everyone can check it, its basically 60 picks, not as hard to track as I thought. Let me know what we want to do. I'm with drbadd, I just want to play ball.

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        • #5
          Re: A Little Feedback please

          Awesome guys, if you need some assistance... let me know.
          2012 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

          2011 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

          2006 PD ABA Fantasy League runner up, sports.ws

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            Re: A Little Feedback please

            1 Roaming Gnome's Fury
            2 Cedar City Raven Redux - Indy -Shakura/Frostwolf
            3 Indy King Cobra - Baltimore Bulldogs
            4 Baltimore Bulldogs
            5 Indiana Firestorm
            6 Tempe Full-Court Jesters/Concord Hobgolins
            7 Casa Verde Hoopsters
            8 Fishers Farmers/kamloops Black Coats
            9 Bland Mayoneggs/Las Vegas Vengence
            10 Young Turks
            11 Bangkok Banshee
            12 Little Fort Bottom Feeders - Indy - Shakura/Frostwolf
            13 Redbull_Yamaha Warriors
            14 haywoode workman/Watts Riots
            15 Harlem Funkadelics
            16 Emerald City Tomfools
            17 Shakuras Voidwalkers
            18 Gnaw Bone Hound Dogs
            19 Amsterdam Pigeons - Cedar City - Little Fort
            20 Nash City Razorbacks
            21 Roaming Gnome's Fury
            22 Cedar City Raven Redux - Little Fort
            23 Indy King Cobra - Little Fort - Casa verde - Bangkock
            24 Baltimore Bulldogs
            25 Indiana Firestorm
            26 Tempe Full-Court Jesters/Concord Hobgolins
            27 Casa Verde Hoopsters
            28 Fishers Farmers/kamloops Black Coats
            29 Bland Mayoneggs/Las Vegas Vengence
            30 Young Turks
            31 Bangkok Banshee
            32 Little Fort Bottom Feeders
            33 Redbull_Yamaha Warriors
            34 haywoode workman/Watts Riots
            35 Harlem Funkadelics
            36 Emerald City Tomfools
            37 Shakuras Voidwalkers - Indy
            38 Gnaw Bone Hound Dogs
            39 Amsterdam Pigeons - Indy King Cobra - Cedar City
            40 Nash City Razorbacks
            41 Roaming Gnome's Fury
            42 Cedar City Raven Redux
            43 Indy King Cobra - Amsterdam
            44 Baltimore Bulldogs
            45 Indiana Firestorm
            46 Tempe Full-Court Jesters/Concord Hobgolins-Amsterdam
            47 Casa Verde Hoopsters
            48 Fishers Farmers/kamloops Black Coats
            49 Bland Mayoneggs/Las Vegas Vengence
            50 Young Turks
            51 Bangkok Banshee
            52 Little Fort Bottom Feeders
            53 Redbull_Yamaha Warriors
            54 haywoode workman/Watts Riots
            55 Harlem Funkadelics
            56 Emerald City Tomfools
            57 Shakuras Voidwalkers
            58 Gnaw Bone Hound Dogs
            59 Amsterdam Pigeons
            60 Nash City Razorbacks
            Hopefully this formatting comes through. 23rd picks been passed around like a, well you know.

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              Re: A Little Feedback please

              Indy Bangkok Banshee Shakuras Voidwalkers Indiana Firestorm Young Turks Amsterdam Pigeons Redbull_Yamaha Warriors Nash City Razorbacks
              Spencer Hawes Chris Kaman Tyreke Evans Roy Hibbert Samuel Dalembert Derrick Rose
              Enes Kanter Pau Gasol Jeremy Lin Monta Ellis Carlos Boozer D.J. Augustin Kobe Bryant
              Bismack Biyombo Ryan Anderson Louis Williams David West DeJuan Blair Sebastian Telfair Russell Westbrook Marc Gasol
              Rajon Rondo Jonas Valancianas Josh Smith Paul George Trevor Booker Lebron James Andrew Bogut Al Jefferson
              Gordon Hayward Donatas Motiejunas Greg Monroe Mike Conley Zaza Pachulia Blake Griffin Dwight Howard Marcin Gortat
              Evan Turner Deron Williams Drew Gooden Emeka Okafor Paul Pierce Brandan Wright Nikola Vucevic Kevin Garnett
              Brandon Knight Rodney Stuckey Kenneth Faried Corey Brewer Joe Johnson David Lee Al Harrington Kevin Seraphin
              Jordon Crawford James Harden Nicolas Batum Boris Diaw Hedo Turkoglu Derrick Favors Terrence Williams Danny Granger
              Marcus Thorton Andre Miller Kevin Martin Devin Harris Ed Davis Wesley Johnson Luol Deng
              JaVale McGee Wilson Chandler Baron Davis
              JJ Hickson Nate Robinson

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                Re: A Little Feedback please

                Gnaw Bone Hound Dawgs Tempe Full-Court Jesters Baltimore Bulldogs Fishers Farmers Bland Mayoneggs haywoode workman Cedar City Raven Redux Casa de verde Cougars
                Paul Milsap Eric Bledsoe Kyrie Irving Jrue Holiday Brook Lopez Tim Duncan FC Chris Bosh Kevin Durant
                Joakim Noah Jarrett Jack Rodrigue Beaubois Eric Gordan Serge Ibaka Anderson Verejao FC Andrea Bargnani Jamal Crawford
                Kyle Lowry Robin Lopez Danilo Gallinari Rudy Gay Antawn Jamison Tony Parker F Carmelo Anthony Tyson Chandler
                John Wall DeMarcus Cousins Kawhi Leonard Luis Scola Lamar Odom Steve Nash F Michael Beasley Elton Brand
                Amare Stoudemire Anthony Randolph Taj Gibson LaMarcus Aldridge Gustavo Ayon Marshon Brooks F Jan Vesely O.J. Mayo
                Jerryd Bayless Greg Stiemsma Derrick Williams Mario Chalmers Jason Smith Markieff Morris G Stephan Curry Aaron Affalo
                DeAndre Jordon Jeff Teague Patrick Patterson Gerald Wallace Chris Paul Matt Barnes G Ricky Rubio Ray Allen
                Marvin Williams Thaddeus Young Omer Asik James Johnson Raymond Felton Dorell Wright G George Hill Gerald Green
                Ekpe Udoh Ramon Sessions Greivis Vasquez Jason Thompson Mo Williams Ian Mahinmi GF Demar DeRozan Aaron Brooks

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                • #9
                  Re: A Little Feedback please

                  Little Fort Bottom Feeders Emerald City Tomfools Harlem Funkadelics
                  C Nikola Pekovic Kevin Love 1. Ginobili
                  C Nazr Mohammed Dirk Nowitzki 2. Jennings
                  F Kris Humphries Nene Hilario 3. Calderon
                  CF Tiago Splitter Andre Iguodala 4. Bynum
                  F Glen Davis Isaiah Thomas 5. Sanders
                  G Ty Lawson Jason Terry 6. Ilysnova
                  G Kemba Walker Klay Thompson 7. Thompson
                  G Goran Dragic Linas Kleiza 8. Horford
                  FG Nick Young Landry Fields 9. Marion

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                  • #10
                    Re: A Little Feedback please

                    Originally posted by Jose Slaughter View Post
                    Ace_E_Anderson has an interest if we have an opening.
                    If Ace_E_Anderson takes over heywoodes team, it looks like this.

                    Tim Duncan
                    Anderson Verejao
                    Tony Parker
                    Steve Nash
                    Marshon Brooks
                    Markieff Morris
                    Matt Barnes
                    Dorell Wright
                    Ian Mahinmi
                    Picks #14, 34, 54.

                    We should decide now, I guess so, he can get logged in and familiarirzed. I think we need to try to draft this weekend.

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                    • #11
                      Re: A Little Feedback please

                      Awesome job, Speed, seriously... awesome .
                      2012 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

                      2011 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

                      2006 PD ABA Fantasy League runner up, sports.ws

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                      • #12
                        Re: A Little Feedback please

                        Awesome, thanks Speed and Jose for stepping up. Especially Speed for all that work. Best wishes to Burnzone but we do need to get moving.
                        2010 IKL Fantasy Basketball Champion Baltimore Bulldogs

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                        • #13
                          Re: A Little Feedback please

                          Originally posted by Speed View Post
                          If Ace_E_Anderson takes over heywoodes team, it looks like this.

                          Tim Duncan
                          Anderson Verejao
                          Tony Parker
                          Steve Nash
                          Marshon Brooks
                          Markieff Morris
                          Matt Barnes
                          Dorell Wright
                          Ian Mahinmi
                          Picks #14, 34, 54.

                          We should decide now, I guess so, he can get logged in and familiarirzed. I think we need to try to draft this weekend.
                          I'll definitely need some direction as to where to go and what to do lol.

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