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    Good for Barbosa and once again I'm right
    You said that Barbosa would end up wearing a suit for most of the season? Good call I guess.

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    Default Re: Celtics Sign Barbosa

    No, its common sense that he didn't have any other offers.

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    Wells next "inside info" will be his first one.......
    You're right I bet you spend more time around NBA GMs than he does.

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    No, its common sense that he didn't have any other offers.
    And you know that because?

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    And you know that because?
    If he had other offers why would he take the vet minimum to go sit on Boston's bench?

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    Default Re: Celtics Sign Barbosa

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    And you know that because?
    That's what xIndy is pointing out to you. You made the claim that Barbosa was holding out for the biggest contract possible, because that's where he was in his career. That's the argument that YOU made. Now when he signs for the vet minimum, you're trying to sell the narrative that he turned down other offers and took Boston's minimum offer.

    No one disagreed with you that Barbosa was holding out for the best deal he could find. People agreed with you, because it's common sense. Now that he signed the smallest deal he could possibly sign, you want to argue the opposite while trying to say that you were proven right somehow.

    If everyone is in agreement that it's common sense Barbosa is holding out for the best deal possible, and he ends up signing for the vets minimum, then it's common sense that the vets minimum is all he could muster.

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    vnzla, why do you refuse to discuss these issues in good faith?

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    vnzla, why do you refuse to discuss these issues in good faith?
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    vnzla, why do you refuse to discuss these issues in good faith?
    Because people keep talking to him, regardless.

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    If he had other offers why would he take the vet minimum to go sit on Boston's bench?
    ... And according to many of you "Mr shoot straight" David West took less money to start in indiana because he wanted to play here, why can't Barbosa do the same? because he is not David West? and I don't think he is going to sit on the bench for that long anyway.

    Many players take less money to play for a Championship contender team every year, but because Barbosa is the one doing it some people here want to make a big deal about it, again is not like he signed with the Bobcats, he signed with the freaking Boston Celtics.

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    That's what xIndy is pointing out to you. You made the claim that Barbosa was holding out for the biggest contract possible, because that's where he was in his career. That's the argument that YOU made. Now when he signs for the vet minimum, you're trying to sell the narrative that he turned down other offers and took Boston's minimum offer.

    No one disagreed with you that Barbosa was holding out for the best deal he could find. People agreed with you, because it's common sense. Now that he signed the smallest deal he could possibly sign, you want to argue the opposite while trying to say that you were proven right somehow.

    If everyone is in agreement that it's common sense Barbosa is holding out for the best deal possible, and he ends up signing for the vets minimum, then it's common sense that the vets minimum is all he could muster.
    And common sense tell us that Barbosa can make a bunch of money if he wanted to sign in europe or Brazil....... but he decided to sign with Boston for probably a chance to win a championship.

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    ... And according to many of you "Mr shoot straight" David West took less money to start in indiana because he wanted to play here, why can't Barbosa do the same? because he is not David West? and I don't think he is going to sit on the bench for that long anyway.

    Many players take less money to play for a Championship contender team every year, but because Barbosa is the one doing it some people here want to make a big deal about it, again is not like he signed with the Bobcats, he signed with the freaking Boston Celtics.
    I think comparing West's situation to Barbosa's is completely ridiculous because you are comparing a guy who had offers that were similar in terms of money per year picking Indiana over Boston because we were younger and he got a little more money per year than he would get in Boston. Barbosa is a guy that according to you was getting lucrative over seas offers and was going to somehow parlay that into a nice tidy offer from an NBA team, wasn't your whole argument that he was holding out for his best offer? Well was this his best offer? You came in here patting yourself on the back, saying "Oh yet again I am right" and yet you are defensive when people call you on it. If your prediction was "Leandro Barbosa will eventualy be signed by an NBA team this year" then congratulations on going out on that extremely long and sturdy limb, but I think we all know there was a little more to what you were claiming.

    Barbosa is behind Rondo, Bradley, Terry, Lee. That is 4 guys who are all better than Barbosa, where is Barbosa going to find minutes? Heck even Dooling might get minutes before Barbosa.

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    And common sense tell us that Barbosa can make a bunch of money if he wanted to sign in europe or Brazil....... but he decided to sign with Boston for probably a chance to win a championship.
    For the vet minimum though he could have signed just about anywhere though if there were teams lining up for his services.

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    I think Dooling retired. So, if he's getting more minutes, then Barbosa's really in trouble. Haha.
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    I think Dooling retired. So, if he's getting more minutes, then Barbosa's really in trouble. Haha.
    Haha, good call. Forgot about that.

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    I think comparing West's situation to Barbosa's is completely ridiculous because you are comparing a guy who had offers that were similar in terms of money per year picking Indiana over Boston because we were younger and he got a little more money per year than he would get in Boston. Barbosa is a guy that according to you was getting lucrative over seas offers and was going to somehow parlay that into a nice tidy offer from an NBA team, wasn't your whole argument that he was holding out for his best offer? Well was this his best offer? You came in here patting yourself on the back, saying "Oh yet again I am right" and yet you are defensive when people call you on it. If your prediction was "Leandro Barbosa will eventualy be signed by an NBA team this year" then congratulations on going out on that extremely long and sturdy limb, but I think we all know there was a little more to what you were claiming.

    Barbosa is behind Rondo, Bradley, Terry, Lee. That is 4 guys who are all better than Barbosa, where is Barbosa going to find minutes? Heck even Dooling might get minutes before Barbosa.
    Comparing the Barbosa's situation with West's is not ridiculous, maybe to you because West to you is "Mr shoot straight", how do you know that Barbosa didn't have better offers and this one is the one he liked? how do you know that he is not doing what according to you West did?

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    For the vet minimum though he could have signed just about anywhere though if there were teams lining up for his services.
    How about if he is the one that had a list of teams that he wanted to play for? players can do that right? it looks to me like it was either "his list" or Brazil at the end.

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    Comparing the Barbosa's situation with West's is not ridiculous, maybe to you because West to you is "Mr shoot straight", how do you know that Barbosa didn't have better offers and this one is the one he liked? how do you know that he is not doing what according to you West did?
    West and Barbosa are at totally different points in their careers. Their situations are not even remotely comparable. I don't know why West's name was even brought into this conversation? Has Barbosa made some comment about why he picked Boston that I don't know about? You are trying to shift the focus off Barbosa and onto West. Not going to work.

    But I don't know why we are even talking, why do you feel the need to defend yourself? You were right about this....again.

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    And common sense tell us that Barbosa can make a bunch of money if he wanted to sign in europe or Brazil....... but he decided to sign with Boston for probably a chance to win a championship.
    That's fine.

    But don't claim to be proven right, when the exact opposite happened.

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    How about if he is the one that had a list of teams that he wanted to play for? players can do that right? it looks to me like it was either "his list" or Brazil at the end.
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    And you know that because?

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    That's fine.

    But don't claim to be proven right, when the exact opposite happened.
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    Barbosa is a huge basketball name in Brazil, common sense tells me that it wouldn't be that hard for him to go back to Brazil and make a lot of money.

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    Barbosa is a huge basketball name in Brazil, common sense tells me that it wouldn't be that hard for him to go back to Brazil and make a lot of money.
    Here's the difference, you came in here acting like you knew something, saying you were right, when really it could be either way. Couldn't it? We don't know. Maybe this was all Barbosa was offered, or maybe he had an offer to make millions upon millions of dollars in Brazil, but we just don't know. Only Barbosa knows.

    My personal opinion, Barbosa probably had a couple other offers both from NBA teams and overseas teams, maybe he could have made a little more somewhere else, but I really doubt anyone was offering him a fortune, but I don't know for sure, so it would be pretty bold for me to say that I was right about how this would play out. I could say I was right if I had predicted Barbosa would take the vet minimum to play for the Celtics, but I didn't.

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    Here's the difference, you came in here acting like you knew something, saying you were right, when really it could be either way. Couldn't it? We don't know. Maybe this was all Barbosa was offered, or maybe he had an offer to make millions upon millions of dollars in Brazil, but we just don't know. Only Barbosa knows.
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    And I was right, I said that Barbosa was waiting for a better offer, maybe for some of you going to the Celtics is not a big deal but I think it is.

    Here is also an article about were he is going to play for Boston and it doesn't look like they are planning in leaving him on the bench or street clothes that much:

    Barbosa is likely to become part of the Celtics’ second team with Terry, Brandon Bass or Jared Sullinger, and Darko Milicic.
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    So Barbosa is going to play over Bradley and Lee? Doubtful.

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