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Kevin Love will miss four to six weeks with a broken right hand, according to sources.
The Minnesota Timberwolves were already preparing to begin the season without Ricky Rubio.
Love is in the first season of a four-year, $60 million contract extension with the Wolves.
The Wolves announced that Love is expected to miss six to eight weeks.
Love broke his hand before Wednesday morning's practice.
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Sad. I hope this has no long term impact.
Rubio is missing the start of the season too, right?
Well, this gives them a chance to see what they got with Derrick Williams. I like him a lot, I'll be watching. I wish Rubio was fine, he had great chemistry with Williams.
This is bad news for the Wolves. Maybe Derrick Williams will finally get his chance to prove himself.
This post was going to happen sooner or later.....should've taken those tough pills.
ESPN has changed the report to say 6-8 weeks now. With Rubio already missing the first six weeks, they'll be lucky to have any kind of playoff hopes now. Have your top 2 players miss 20ish games...ouch. Wonder if he broke it complaining about a call he didn't get in practice?
Timberwolves people are calling it at closer to 8 weeks, and it's on his shooting hand....not good at all. I'd watch out for Kirilenko to have a bigger impact now, more so than Derrick Williams.
Not good for those who took him in fantasy basketball, too: one of my friends found out about it right after picking him 3rd overall, tough break.
As much as I dislike Love, this sucks for him. There only has been one person I wanted to see hurt ever. He plays for a rival high school's soccer team, New Palestine. I go to Greenfield. A kid from the third HS in Hancock county, Mt. Vernon had to leave the soccer team because he got cancer. Our team wore shirts (similar to the Chuckstrong shirts) pre game vs NP and the NP kid made a remark saying "he deserved it" and "I hope he dies" because "he's a dirty player" to one of our players. Needless to say that got out and he got booed by everyone, and this was the first time I was ever happy to see someone tear their ACL. I hope Love is back in enough time to get upset at the Pacers for taking too many tough pills.
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I've always liked Love as a player, I didn't really like some of the comments and things he did last year. Still sucks because the Wolves are a team that intrigues me.
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Kevin Love's Wolves' winning percentage: .263 (82-230).
The local Chippewa Indians call him Big Stats Little Wins.
At some point, people need to hold him to the same standards that they once held Zach Randolph and Al Jefferson to, and still hold guys like David Lee to.
One, Love was improving... There's a reason why he won the most improved player award. He added a lot to his game and changed his body a lot since he came into the league. He's not the first great player to take time. The Pacers had a few of those two.
Two, Al Jefferson was there for Love's first two years and played on a bum knee.
Three, all those other three guys did deserve the criticism. ZBO's criticism stopped when he changed as a player. Al Jefferson and Lee are free to do the same, I'm sure the criticism will stop.
Yet, even with his improvement, his teams remain lousy. In fact, Minnesota's 24 wins during Love's underwhelming rookie season were seven more than the whopping 17 wins he brought them during his breakout season, 2010-2011. There's no correlation between Love's production and his teams winning. Hmm... sounds like empty stats to me.
Yes, I mentioned that Al Jefferson was in Minnesota for Love's first two seasons. In those seasons, even while sometimes playing hurt (he missed 38 of the 164 total games), Jefferson still managed to put up 20 & 10. Not exactly chopped liver.
Then so, too, does Kevin Love. Thank you for demonstrating my point the hypocrisy surrounding Kevin Love.
Sure, he changed as a player. He stopped being a player who put up big numbers on bad teams, and started being a player who put up big numbers on winning teams. Kevin Love's yet to do that, yet doesn't get anywhere near the flack Randolph once did.
This very forum was full of people who are strongly against singing Zach Randolph, largely on the basis that he "wasn't a winner." I've not seen a single one of those people levy the same charge against Love.
'serious thinkers' don't criticize Al Jefferson, Lee and old ZBO for espn-type "winner / not winner, and i don't care what's going on in actual games" logic you applied there, they are criticized because of how they play.
Al Jefferson does not like to box out. Which is one of the reasons why 'Sota went from 19th to 7th best rebounding team once he was traded. And Utah went from 4th to 23rd once they got him. Good individual rebounding stats look good for casual fans. But give me a fundamentally sound big man any time over a stat whore who will leave the opposing center open under the basket instead of boxing him out.
Not to mention, his effort on D very limited, and he's a Melo-type ball hog who has a solid ability to pass but often wastes most of the shot clock before he does it - and sometimes never passes at all despite being double teamed.
Lee is possibly the worst defender among PFs in the league.
And ZBO was criticized because he didn't hustle, didn't defend and took a ton of bad shots. When he came to Memphis, he improved in all of those areas. His shot selection is much better. He scores a ton of hustle points on offensive boards. And he's very tough defensively, he works more often than not and overall he's an above average defender. Which is why he's loved and respected right now.
For the record: I don't have a problem with Kevin Love beyond thinking he's whiny, annoying, and cheap. He's a very good player, and yeah, I'd take him on the Pacers. I do, however, think that his production is a bit bloated, which, when combined with his sub-par defense, lessens his actual impact. My real issue is with the hypocrisy of people when it comes to criticizing Love versus criticizing certain other players.
He's actually a solid defender right now. That's another reason why your 4 years / x wins logic is so flawed. Love took major steps year to year, every year. Last year, his defense was the major improvement. He'll likely never be a stopper because of his physical limitations, but he's not a liability either.
Players have to be criticized based on their strengths and weaknesses in actual games. Nobody can carry multiple Smush Parkers, Ricky Davis's or Wesley Johnsons in their starting lineups and still be decent.
In the first pre-season home game vs the Pacers (which I realize he only played a half of) I made it a point to watch him exclusively for several plays & had my son tell me what occured with the rest of the play because I just kept being baffled as to how the guy gets his rebounds.
1. Let me say this, he is very good at recognizing where the ball is going to go & that is huge.
2. He does a decent job of boxing out, he's not the best at it but he is very very good.
3. He does leave his defensive assignment early to get into rebounding position. Now I'm not a fan of that myself but that may very well be what the Wolves want him to do.
I'm not calling him Troy Murphy but I think people tend to forget that on occasion Troy would put up a 20/20 game as well and got rebounding numbers that were out of this world.
Kevin Love is nowhere near the saloon door on defense that Troy was (btw is he even in the league anymore) but there are some similarities between the two.
But don't just focus on my 3rd point, he certainly does 1 & 2 both very well.
in typical games, Love gets nearly half his minutes at 5, where he gets to battle Mahinmi types near the hoop, and where defense/boxing out/rebounding go hand in hand. As opposed to playing exclusively with Pekovic like he did in both of the Pacers games and covering mid range shooters.
Stretch 4s, small ball, 3s pretending to be 4s, those are his biggest weaknesses as a defender, and I'm not sure it will ever change, although he doesn't get killed either. But anytime strength and hustle is necessary, he'll be near elite. If he was able to block shots too, he'd be a great defensive center.
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Love broke his hand doing knuckle push-ups with personal trainer Rob McClanaghan. No surgery will be needed