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Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.

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Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.

Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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Long distance Pacer fans

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  • #46
    Re: Long distance Pacer fans

    I used to live in Indy. Then I moved.
    This space for rent.

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    • #47
      Re: Long distance Pacer fans

      I'm from Plainfield then joined the Air Force at the ripe age of 18 in '97. Now I'm stationed in Tucson.

      I was born a Pacer fan.

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      • #48
        Re: Long distance Pacer fans

        Originally posted by Buddhaboy
        I'm from Manila, the Philippines.

        I've been a Pacers fan for the past seven or eight years although I've never been to Indiana and I've never watched a real NBA game in the flesh. Watching a real game remains one of my goals in life.

        I started becoming a Pacers fan in a rather unconventional way. Although I had always followed the NBA with a bit of interest, I never had a favorite team until I started playing the Pacers on my old Super NES ( I forgot the title of the game, though). Uncle Reggie blew me away in the game I just had to see what he was like in the real world. And now, I'm a big Pacers fan!

        I join the game chats, I read this board everyday and regularly scour the net for game coverage.

        All from playing my Super Nes.
        I always said those game consoles are good for something!

        Regards,

        Mourning
        2012 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

        2011 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

        2006 PD ABA Fantasy League runner up, sports.ws

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        • #49
          Re: Long distance Pacer fans

          Hello there, I'm from Brazil...I always read every topic and come every day here, but I don' like to post because my english is not so good =/

          I became a Pacer fan with 10 years in the 1999-2000 season, The Season. Because i watched a highlight with REGGIE and i liked him; after one day i watched a Pacers game on ESPN(only broadcaster that transmits NBA here, and in cable TV =/) and i loved Reggie with his treys and the Pacers with Mark Jackson, Rik Smiths, Dale Davis and Jalen Rose, since that day it was only Pacers for me. After i watched that amazing playoffs and gone crazy.

          Here is to hard to find Pacers jerseys, only Reggie away uniform you find here, in low places. The TV Cable transmit only 1 or 2 games per week, and this season they don't transmit any pacers game. damn. The mostly of people here don't know about NBA, it's terrible.

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          • #50
            Re: Long distance Pacer fans

            Hey, don't say your english is a reason NOT to post, you can always try and trust me your english pretty decent. I don't think anyone in here had any trouble reading your post, so post more!

            Oh yeah, even though you have been around for some time ... welcome to the board!

            Regards,

            Mourning
            2012 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

            2011 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

            2006 PD ABA Fantasy League runner up, sports.ws

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            • #51
              Re: Long distance Pacer fans

              You are easier to read than most of JO7's posts anyway.

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              • #52
                Re: Long distance Pacer fans

                Originally from Indiana...(well kind of...I moved there in 1970 when I was 3 and lived there until I was 27 ) Went to a few games over the years, but didn't get really interested until about '94, so I guess I'm kind of a bandwagon guy compared to some of the guys going back into the ABA days or even 80's.

                Left Indiana in '96 for Colorado...currently living in Iowa. Still following the Pacers.

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                • #53
                  Re: Long distance Pacer fans

                  ahuahauha thanks Mourning and Ragnar...i will try to post more here

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                  • #54
                    Re: Long distance Pacer fans

                    Originally posted by Pacers_Brazil
                    ahuahauha thanks Mourning and Ragnar...i will try to post more here

                    boa vinda para nosso grupo

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                    • #55
                      Re: Long distance Pacer fans

                      Originally posted by ABADays
                      I'm sure this has been asked before. But I'm old . . . and I forgot . . . . so kill me. What made all of you out-of-staters fans of the Pacers?
                      I'm almost 21 been a Pacer fan since I was about 9....it started with Reggie Miller....I am not sure exactly sure when it was but prob. in the 92 playoffs but i became more hardcore a season later I think....but it was Reggie's clutch shooting trash talking antics which made me as a youngster love the Pacers and most importantly love Reggie. I am out in California, and since then, I have remained loyal to the Pacers and Reggie and I became a fan all by myself...no one else introduced me.

                      When I was young I took a lot of heat for the Pacers...but I never regret it...I am thankful for everything he has done and I look forward to next season when Pacers will have a legitimate chance of winning a title....and I hope somehow Reggie returns after the Allstar break next year once we are on our way to a title.

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                      • #56
                        Re: Long distance Pacer fans

                        Originally posted by sarc
                        I'm a fan from Eastern Europe, Baltic States - Latvia.

                        One reason - Reggie Miller. Two episodes - the 8 points in 8 seconds against Knicks in playofs and a highlight from one game where Reggie bowed with some 1x seconds left after making a three,(then the other team also made a three, the player bowed just like Reggie and they won it, but that doesn't matter much).

                        Never seen any complete game but I count myself as a fan and I want to get as much info as possible.

                        You a fan of Guntars (Guncha) Vetra?

                        If you're a hoops fan in Latvia, I am wondering if you know him or have met him. Thanks.
                        Two=the number 2
                        Too=means "also"
                        To=many definitions-also known as the one to use when the other 2 (two, too) do not apply.

                        Their=shows ownership-'it is their house'
                        They're=they are
                        There=many definitions-also known as the one to use when the other 2 (their, they're) do not apply

                        Sorry but it bugs me when these are used incorrectly when I read posts on PacersDigest.com.

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                        • #57
                          Re: Long distance Pacer fans

                          Am 21 & from Australia, but have relatives in Indianapolis... So when my cousins sent me over a Reggie Miller singlet and signed cards of Reggie when I was 10 I was automatically hooked!
                          Have to follow them mainly through the internet so love reading comments from fans who actually get to watch the games on sites like this, do however every now and again get to watch them whenever they are on ESPN as they are the only games we get to see down under. (Get to watch LA @ Indy this week... can't wait!)
                          Will be in the US this December to meet my family and will have my first oppurtunity to see the Pacers play at the Fieldhouse, whilst I know its unlikely I wish for Reggie to play one more year just so I can say I have seen him, all the same I can't hardly wait to get to watch the guys (especially Ron) play in what will hopefully be their championship season!

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                          • #58
                            Re: Long distance Pacer fans

                            Its all about reggie... all about Reggie my friends.. My history is KINDA FUNNY.. it goes way back in 1989 when i started to play basketball at the age of 8, my brother who was a basketball player loved Reggie miller aswell and kindoff studied his skills and taught me Reggie playing style, the only reason he loved him is because of his deadly Shooting, he gave me a Reggie jersey and since then ive been stuck to Reggies playing style and the funny thing is that I HAVE NEVER IN MY LIFE SEEN REGGIE PLAY OR ANY NBA GAME AT ALL! When i saw the first game 1992-94 (by then i was 12 years old)... it was the game against Knicks and reggie scored 25 points in 1st quarter, then i saw the game when he scored 8 points in 8 seconds... i was stunned, and since then i was a Die hard reggie and Pacer fan and followed all their games (thx to internet and CNN ).. Today im playin Pro basketball here in Sweden and i have copied his style, shooting like him, talking trash like him, making clutch shots like him! everything its all because of reggie i guess!

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                            • #59
                              Re: Long distance Pacer fans

                              Well I have been a Pacer fan since i was 10 only because of Reggie Miller its a weird reason how figured out about him because 4 years ago i didn't even care about basketball.I was playing my video game NBA 2K and i used the pacers because i like them then i saw Miller there he was a good player had a nice three and all then i found a reggie miller card in my bros cards of basketball fottball and basebal cards there.I was amazed of what he did my other bro told me about him and i got into basketball and started reading his books and jordans books too Reggie inspired me to play basketball.Right now I'm really good but play different from Miller i shoot alot but don't exactly play like Reggie.I'm from Miami Florida and grew up in the hood but only for 2 years until we moved out of there.I started Watching the pacers play in the 2003-2004 season but figured out about them 3 years ago.I just wish i can see Miller in his prime years thogugh every single game thats why I'm such a big Miller fan and Reggie made me love the pacers too thank you Reggie Miller.

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                              • #60
                                Re: Long distance Pacer fans

                                i went to college in Richmond, Indiana. While there Byron Scott hit the shot to beat Orlando. I have been addicted to the Pacers ever since. It's a lot like love. A lot of heartache and you never feel in control, but still worth it.
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                                "It's a league game, Smokey"

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