Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 33

Thread: NBA top ten shooting guards SI.COM

  1. #1
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Indianapolis
    Age
    33
    Posts
    28,142

    Default NBA top ten shooting guards SI.COM

    I'm not sure I agree with this positioning.

    9Paul George, Indiana Pacers George was just one of many good players on a very good Pacers team last season. But with his athletic ability, he has the potential to be much more than that. At 22, he's already an excellent 3-point shooter and defender, not to mention an explosive dunker. If he improves his ballhandling and develops more of an intermediate game, he could become Indiana's first genuine star since Reggie Miller.



    http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/lists/T...photo=31366508


    1 Wade
    2 Kobe
    3 Harden
    4 Joe Johnson
    5 Iguadola
    6 Manu
    7 EJ
    8 Monta
    9 Paul George
    10 Ray Allen/Tony Allen ??
    Last edited by vnzla81; 10-15-2012 at 03:15 PM.

  2. #2
    Member Ace E.Anderson's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Indiana
    Posts
    6,515

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: NBA top ten shooting guards SI.COM

    I think we all would prob have different opinions on who should be where within that list

  3. #3
    Play McRoberts and Price! BRushWithDeath's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Johnson's Bay, Lake Wawasee
    Age
    28
    Posts
    5,358

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: NBA top ten shooting guards SI.COM

    I think it just speaks more towards the dearth of shooting guards right now than it does the quality of Paul George.
    "I had to take her down like Chris Brown."

    -Lance Stephenson

  4. The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to BRushWithDeath For This Useful Post:


  5. #4
    It is ka Thankee sai Major Cold's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Garrett, IN
    Posts
    9,189
    Mood

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: NBA top ten shooting guards SI.COM

    I didn't expect PG to be there. Tyreke, Kevin Martin, and Rip had bad years. Shumpert was good.

  6. The Following User Says Thank You to Major Cold For This Useful Post:


  7. #5
    RING THE BELL! Sandman21's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Area55
    Posts
    6,553

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: NBA top ten shooting guards SI.COM

    I wouldn't have put Gordon on that list at all. Personally, I think someone has to actually PLAY in order to make a top ten list.
    "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

    "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "
    Want your own "Just Say No to Kamen" from @mkroeger pic? http://twitpic.com/a3hmca

  8. The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to Sandman21 For This Useful Post:


  9. #6
    Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    In a Gym
    Age
    22
    Posts
    16,882
    Mood

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: NBA top ten shooting guards SI.COM

    Quote Originally Posted by Major Cold View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    I didn't expect PG to be there. Tyreke, Kevin Martin, and Rip had bad years. Shumpert was good.
    Shumpert was no where near top 10 last year IMO his decision making and shooting is horrendous. On top of that he is coming off an ACL tear. He does have some Tony Allen like defense though. I hope he can improve his decision making but it was really bad last year just like in college.

  10. The Following User Says Thank You to pacer4ever For This Useful Post:


  11. #7
    Member Derek2k3's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Fort Wayne
    Posts
    1,583
    Mood

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: NBA top ten shooting guards SI.COM

    No Afflalo? Come on.

    Wade #1? Absurd.

    EJ/Monta even ranked? Again, absurd. Unless, of course, this is based on potential

  12. #8

    Default Re: NBA top ten shooting guards SI.COM

    I love the top 7, it seems about fair. 3-7 are all very inter-changeable. I'd agree with any order of those guys. I could easily accept Manu as #3, etc.

    the last spots I'd have:
    8. Wes Matthews
    9. Wilson Chandler
    10. Kevin Martin

    I could see some other guys in those last spots, like Tony Allen, Avery Bradley, Afflalo, Tyreke, Stuckey, George, Monta, Ray Ray and Thornton. But if I have to choose, I'm taking the above three.

  13. #9
    Play McRoberts and Price! BRushWithDeath's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Johnson's Bay, Lake Wawasee
    Age
    28
    Posts
    5,358

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: NBA top ten shooting guards SI.COM

    Quote Originally Posted by Derek2k3 View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Wade #1? Absurd.
    Wait... what?
    "I had to take her down like Chris Brown."

    -Lance Stephenson

  14. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to BRushWithDeath For This Useful Post:


  15. #10

    Default Re: NBA top ten shooting guards SI.COM

    That looks about right to me. Martin and Afflolo aren't good enough offensively for me to rank them over Paul.

  16. #11
    Member Derek2k3's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Fort Wayne
    Posts
    1,583
    Mood

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: NBA top ten shooting guards SI.COM

    Quote Originally Posted by BRushWithDeath View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Wait... what?
    You genuinely believe Dwyane Wade is the best 2 guard in the NBA?

    I personally do not. Give me Kobe or Harden, than you very much.

  17. The Following User Says Thank You to Derek2k3 For This Useful Post:


  18. #12

    Default Re: NBA top ten shooting guards SI.COM

    Quote Originally Posted by CJ Jones View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    That looks about right to me. Martin and Afflolo aren't good enough offensively for me to rank them over Paul.
    I'd generally agree, but Martin looks better defensively right now than in years past. He actually tries, he's just not very physically gifted. I think offensively there's a bigger gap than defensively.

  19. #13
    Play McRoberts and Price! BRushWithDeath's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Johnson's Bay, Lake Wawasee
    Age
    28
    Posts
    5,358

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: NBA top ten shooting guards SI.COM

    Quote Originally Posted by Derek2k3 View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    You genuinely believe Dwyane Wade is the best 2 guard in the NBA?
    By a pretty decent margin, yes.
    "I had to take her down like Chris Brown."

    -Lance Stephenson

  20. The Following User Says Thank You to BRushWithDeath For This Useful Post:


  21. #14
    Whale Shepherd cdash's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    The Sprawl
    Age
    29
    Posts
    18,486

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: NBA top ten shooting guards SI.COM

    Quote Originally Posted by BRushWithDeath View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    By a pretty decent margin, yes.
    I'd rather have Kobe, declining and all, by a pretty decent margin over Wade.

  22. The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to cdash For This Useful Post:


  23. #15
    Member Speed's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Brownsburg
    Posts
    8,621

    Default Re: NBA top ten shooting guards SI.COM

    Where's Stucky? green

  24. The Following User Says Thank You to Speed For This Useful Post:


  25. #16
    Member spreedom's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Minnesota
    Age
    29
    Posts
    2,587

    Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: NBA top ten shooting guards SI.COM

    I have no idea why Wade is above Kobe, or why Iguodala is on the list at all. He isn't even a shooting guard.

  26. #17
    #Franking Heisenberg's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Posts
    13,657

    Sports Logo

    Default Re: NBA top ten shooting guards SI.COM

    Quote Originally Posted by spreedom
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Iguodala is on the list at all. He isn't even a shooting guard.
    He is now.

    The whole 5 specific "positions" thing has gotten pretty outdated anyway. There's point guards (maybe), wings, and bigs for the most part.

  27. #18
    Go Paytherth! rel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    Atlanta
    Age
    25
    Posts
    1,821

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: NBA top ten shooting guards SI.COM

    Quote Originally Posted by spreedom View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    I have no idea why Wade is above Kobe, or why Iguodala is on the list at all. He isn't even a shooting guard.
    Put me in the 'Kobe should be ahead of Wade' camp too

  28. #19
    Whale Shepherd cdash's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    The Sprawl
    Age
    29
    Posts
    18,486

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: NBA top ten shooting guards SI.COM

    Quote Originally Posted by spreedom View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    I have no idea why Wade is above Kobe, or why Iguodala is on the list at all. He isn't even a shooting guard.
    Sure he is. I think Iguodala is a more natural 2 guard than Paul George is. If we call it "shooting" guard, then no, probably not

  29. #20
    Member Derek2k3's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Fort Wayne
    Posts
    1,583
    Mood

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: NBA top ten shooting guards SI.COM

    Not to mention, Iggy was pretty fantastic in the playoffs.

  30. #21
    Member Pacergeek's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Indianapolis, IN
    Posts
    3,803

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: NBA top ten shooting guards SI.COM

    Quote Originally Posted by Derek2k3 View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    You genuinely believe Dwyane Wade is the best 2 guard in the NBA?

    I personally do not. Give me Kobe or Harden, than you very much.
    Did you not see Wade torch us in the playoffs? I don't like the guy, but it isn't absurd to rank Wade #1
    David "And One" West

  31. #22
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Dillon, Co
    Posts
    4,247

    Default Re: NBA top ten shooting guards SI.COM

    I think you have to give more consideration for injurys. If a player is never on the court they can't impact a game. EG doesn't belong on any top list until he proves he can play a full season. Iggy as usual is over rated.
    Last edited by Pacerized; 10-15-2012 at 09:18 PM.

  32. The Following User Says Thank You to Pacerized For This Useful Post:


  33. #23
    NaptownSeth is all feel Naptown_Seth's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Downtown baby
    Posts
    12,638

    Default Re: NBA top ten shooting guards SI.COM

    What has EJ even done period to be top 10?

    I just ran an eFG% list (FGM plus bonus .5 make for each 3PM/FGA) for all G or G-F with at least 30 games played for the last 3 seasons, meaning players can have 3 entries on the list.

    Gordon's 1st appearance is 68th. 68th from a top 10 SG who's main role is shooting/scoring? Even if every other guy ahead of him had 3 listings, that still puts him at 23rd. Now maybe if it also features not only PGs and SGs but also all SFs (it doesn't) then he might be hitting into the 7-10 range.

    But guys like Wes Matthews, Jodie Meeks, JJ Redick, Afflalo, JRich, and Sefalosha all show up with recent seasons shooting better than him. His 10-11 season is 16th in Points per Minute among 30 games played guys with at least 15 mpg, but it's no better than Jamal Crawford's season. Kobe, KMart, Wade and Ellis all have multiple appearances before him on that list.

    And he doesn't have a season in the top 100 by those same criteria (last 3, 30 GP, 15 mpg) when you go by 3P%. For that you want Ben Gordon, Courtney Lee, Avery Bradley, not to mention Ray Allen, Matthews, Affalo or even OJ Mayo.

    By Basketball-Ref Paul George is a straight F and doesn't show up on these queries. Expanding it to include F and F-G adds in not only Paul George but other shooters like Mike Miller and Kyle Korver, as well as Brandon Rush (F-G). And they all shoot the deep ball better and natually maintain a higher overall eFG%.


    Tony Allen and Paul George also make a nice case due to steals.


    Eric Gordon is a nice kid, but he's only been really an average scoring guard who is injured a lot. He's not proven to be any more unstoppable than a lot of other players when he's on the court, and being at his best maybe 12-15th in wing/SG style scoring is not enough to overcome his injuries and push him into a top 10 SG ranking.

  34. The Following User Says Thank You to Naptown_Seth For This Useful Post:


  35. #24

    Default Re: NBA top ten shooting guards SI.COM

    I'm sorry, Manu Ginobili is still pretty disrespected. Am I overrating him by saying I'd take him over anyone not named Wade and Kobe?

    Paul George..um...you know what, I do think he's in the top third of starting shooting guards, so if you think about it that way, maybe the ranking isn't that off.

    And I think I'd take Kobe with one arm and one leg (which is essentially what he is) over any other shooting guard. Wade is often injured and is losing his athleticism himself - and he's not nearly as skilled as Kobe.
    Last edited by Sookie; 10-16-2012 at 12:51 PM.

  36. The Following User Says Thank You to Sookie For This Useful Post:


  37. #25
    Member Ace E.Anderson's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Indiana
    Posts
    6,515

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: NBA top ten shooting guards SI.COM

    Quote Originally Posted by Sookie View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    I'm sorry, Manu Ginobili is still pretty disrespected. Am I overrating him by saying I'd take him over anyone not named Wade and Kobe?

    Paul George..um...you know what, I do think he's in the top third of starting shooting guards, so if you think about it that way, maybe the ranking isn't that off.

    And I think I'd take Kobe with one arm and one leg (which is essentially what he is) over any other shooting guard. Wade is often injured and is losing his athleticism himself - and he's not nearly as skilled as Kobe.
    Kobe's athleticism has all but left him, and he's still probably the best pure perimeter scorer not named Durant right now. His use of angles, shot fakes, and pace is fundamental to a Tee.

    Wade has relied on his strength and athleticism for years, and it's finally starting to catch up to him. If he doesn't make some changes to his game, his scoring numbers will fall off as he continues to age and his athleticism erodes.

    Also: I don't think Ginobili has "it" any more. Can he get up for a playoff game or two? Sure. But during the reg season, and over the course of a series, he wears down. Maybe he was still recovering from his injuries the times I saw him last year, but he definitely didn't seem like Manu of old.

Similar Threads

  1. Breaking down our shooting guards
    By Reggie4THREE!!! in forum Indiana Pacers
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 10-21-2006, 07:45 AM
  2. Pacers.com >> Shooting Guards
    By Los Angeles in forum Indiana Pacers
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 10-25-2005, 01:56 PM
  3. Shooting guards not aging well
    By Unclebuck in forum Indiana Pacers
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 07-12-2005, 05:35 PM
  4. Do Shooting Guards win championships?
    By RWB in forum Indiana Pacers
    Replies: 35
    Last Post: 05-19-2005, 05:20 PM
  5. Other shooting Guards worth pursuing
    By bread in forum Indiana Pacers
    Replies: 21
    Last Post: 06-27-2004, 02:51 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •