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    Default Re: Report: Josh Smith Will Not Sign Extension With Hawks

    Would be nice to land Josh Smith. Dude has really matured his game last season without Horford.
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    Default Re: Report: Josh Smith Will Not Sign Extension With Hawks

    Until he proves me wrong this season, I'd rather spend a more modest amount to keep David West, than spend an exorbitant amount to bring in Josh Smith.

    Smith is the better player, he's younger, he's more athletic, and he'd probably be a better fit next to Hibbert, but I don't think his personality meshes with what they are trying to do. I also don't see it as a move that would put us into a tier, with the true contenders in the league, and thus not worth the investment.

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    Default Re: Report: Josh Smith Will Not Sign Extension With Hawks

    There is not doubt that Josh Smith makes the Pacers contenders, he can be the player that can go head to head with Lebron, he can guard Lebron, he can block shots and he can rebound pretty well too(9.6rpg).


    Edit: Imagine a team where you have Hill, PG, Danny, JS and Hibbert?
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    Josh Smith is going to go head to head with Lebron James? I thought our problem right now is just that we were the Hawks all over again. If Josh Smith is that good why weren't the Hawks going head to head with Lebron James all these years?

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    Josh Smith is going to go head to head with Lebron James? I thought our problem right now is just that we were the Hawks all over again. If Josh Smith is that good why weren't the Hawks going head to head with Lebron James all these years?
    People love to ignore it but to me one of the biggest problems and why Atlanta was never able to do much was the inability of the front office to get a good coach, every coach they got wanted to play ISO ball, not only that but they never had a pass first point guard or a floor leader.

    And yes Josh Smith is good enough to go head to head with Lebron, no saying that he is going to outscore Lebron but his productivity compared to Lebron can be pretty close.
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    People love to ignore it but to me one of the biggest problems and why Atlanta was never able to do much was the inability of the front office to get a good coach, every coach they got wanted to play ISO ball, not only that but they never had a pass first point guard or a floor leader.

    And yes Josh Smith is good enough to go head to head with Lebron.

    My head just asploded.

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    I wouldn't say the Josh Smith can go head to head with LBJ... But he can match up well against him...

    And if you could get Smith while keeping Roy, DG and PG, then you do it... Defense has proven that it could win titles, and that would probably be the best defensive lineup in the Association... Further, you are more flexible with a Smith in the lineup who can bring the ball up the court for stretches...

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    My head just asploded.
    It's not as crazy as you think, Lebron is of course the best player in the NBA and the most efficient player in the NBA but guess what? Josh Smith is the 8th must efficient player in the NBA, just look at their numbers:

    Lebron 27.1ppg 7.9rpg 6.2apg 1.9stpg 0.81bpg and 29.9 efficiency

    Josh Smith 18.8ppg 9.6rpg 3.9apg 1.4stpg 1.74bpg and 22.1 efficiency


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    Stats don't tell the whole story Vnzla


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    I never really thought about JSmith going head to head with LeBron as a reason to trade/sign hime. No one in the league can match head to head with LBJ at this time, IMO. The thing Smith can do is make Miami suffer for moving Bosh to the 5 and help clear the paint for Roy with his speed. The trade I suggested would give Atl. more salary cap and would only work if they are going to rebuild around Thornton or if they really believe Smith is leaving home.

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    Default Re: Report: Josh Smith Will Not Sign Extension With Hawks

    LeBron James vs ATL last season:
    27.3ppg 55% 10rpg 3apg 1spg .67bpg 2.7TOs

    LeBron James vs IND last season:
    avg: 24.5ppg 46% 8.8rpg 3.8apg 2.5spg .25bpg 3.5TOs

    So LeBron scored less, shot worse, rebounded less and turned the ball over more against the team that didn't have Josh Smith, the player who can go head to head with him and guard LeBron.

    For fun, here is Smith's stats vs Miami last season:
    13.3ppg 37% 6.3rpg 4apg 1spg 1.67bpg 1 TOs

    Head to head alright...

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    LeBron James vs ATL last season:
    27.3ppg 55% 10rpg 3apg 1spg .67bpg 2.7TOs

    LeBron James vs IND last season:
    avg: 24.5ppg 46% 8.8rpg 3.8apg 2.5spg .25bpg 3.5TOs

    So LeBron scored less, shot worse, rebounded less and turned the ball over more against the team that didn't have Josh Smith, the player who can go head to head with him and guard LeBron.

    For fun, here is Smith's stats vs Miami last season:
    13.3ppg 37% 6.3rpg 4apg 1spg 1.67bpg 1 TOs

    Head to head alright...
    I bet that one team having Hibbert and the other team having Pachulia instead of Horford didn't have anything to do with it.........

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    Getting a guy because "he can go head to head with Lebron," has got to be the most foolhardy argument anybody can make.

    Nobody matches up with Lebron. If you are going to beat a Lebron-led team, you need to do it by outmatching them at the other 4 positions. Not by backing up the Brinks truck to an Ol' Blu's (read, senile old homeless man's) version of Lebron.
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    [Mackey_Rose;1510182]Getting a guy because "he can go head to head with Lebron," has got to be the most foolhardy argument anybody can make.
    Just because you disagree with it doesn't make it foolhardy or whatever name you want to call it...

    Nobody matches up with Lebron. If you are going to beat a Lebron-led team, you need to do it by outmatching them at the other 4 positions. Not by backing up the Brinks truck to an Ol' Blu's (read, senile old homeless man's) version of Lebron.
    No s***......

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    Default Re: Report: Josh Smith Will Not Sign Extension With Hawks

    Ok, fair enough. Although Horford did play in 1 game against the Heat last year. LeBron had 28, 7 and 6 on 61% shooting.

    So lets look at 2011, when Horford was playing.

    LeBron:
    33.3ppg 51% 7.3rpg 5.3apg 1.7spg .25bpg

    Smith:
    13.3ppg 40% 6.3rpg 2.3apg 2spg 0bpg

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    Just because you disagree with it doesn't make it foolhardy or whatever name you want to call it...
    Foolhardy is not an insult. It's an adjective. Google it, or something.


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    No s***......

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    And yes Josh Smith is good enough to go head to head with Lebron, no saying that he is going to outscore Lebron but his productivity compared to Lebron can be pretty close.
    WUT?

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    Default Re: Report: Josh Smith Will Not Sign Extension With Hawks

    Lebron can only make one of our players perform poorly at a time. If he was making that Josh Smith it wouldn't be Danny.

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    Lebron can only make one of our players perform poorly at a time. If he was making that Josh Smith it wouldn't be Danny.
    theres also Wade
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    Edit: Imagine a team where you have Hill, PG, Danny, JS and Hibbert?
    great NBA 2k13 team, but not one that will work out
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    great NBA 2k13 team, but not one that will work out
    I wouldn't say that. It's a very good team on paper. Should be easily a 50+ game winner. It isn't a contender.

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    Smith's not signing an extension because he could only get 3 years. He becomes an UFA he can get 5. It's one of the biggest problems with the new CBA.

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    Smith's not signing an extension because he could only get 3 years. He becomes an UFA he can get 5. It's one of the biggest problems with the new CBA.
    Exactly. No player who is going to be attractive in free agency will sign an extension. Not only is there no incentive, there is an incentive not to.

    It's exactly why all the handwringing over Dwight Howard's supposed snub of the Lakers by saying he wouldn't sign an extension was ridiculous. The same with Deron Williams and New Jersey/Brooklyn last summer.

    If we make a thread about every player who refuses an extension under this CBA, we're going to get pretty tired.
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    I wouldn't say that. It's a very good team on paper. Should be easily a 50+ game winner. It isn't a contender.
    It's closer than where we are now, but I agree.

    Unfortunately, I don't see the player out there who turns us into a contender unless Chris Paul takes an enormous and extraordinarily unlikely leap of faith.
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    Foolhardy is not an insult. It's an adjective. Google it, or something.



    WUT?
    I know you understand what I'm trying to say.

    My point is that in a game I expect a guy like JS to match at least 80% of Lebron's overall productivity(maybe more maybe less) unlike Danny or West, Josh Smith brings more to the table than either one of those guys, JS can also guard him, something that neither Danny or West can do, and yes Paul can do that too but who is going to guard Wade?

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    I wouldn't say that. It's a very good team on paper. Should be easily a 50+ game winner. It isn't a contender.
    They are closer to a contender with Josh Smith than they are right now, you don't think the Pacers beat Miami with Josh Smith instead of West or Danny last year? I do.

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