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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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  • PD Forum Party

    Folks I had a great time and learned a lot about the Pacers and about the people who make up Pacers Digest! Hope I can make another party in the future.
    BTW for anyone who is interested you can follow our travels at www.mccorkles.org.
    BobbyMac
    Go Pacers!

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    Originally posted by BobbyMac View Post
    Folks I had a great time and learned a lot about the Pacers and about the people who make up Pacers Digest! Hope I can make another party in the future.
    BTW for anyone who is interested you can follow our travels at www.mccorkles.org.
    BobbyMac

    Your website is really nice. I would love to travel and explore as much as you do. Seems like it would always keep things interesting.
    There is no NBA player named Monte Ellis.

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      Bobby, it was nice to meet you as well as all of the other new faces or ones I hadn't seen in quite a while. I enjoy the company of the regulars, but it's definitely nice to add some new people to the mix.

      Let's see, who all were people I hadn't met before?

      I saw mattie but didn't really get to talk with him.

      owl made a surprise appearance for a while. Bobby Mac, shags, pacer4ever (though I'd see him at the Fieldhouse sometimes, never at one of these), DrFife, and Brohan Cruyff (never in a million years would have guessed on the spelling, hell I couldn't pronounce it and stuck with his real first name ). I think those were all of the first-timers?

      I think this was kester99's second appearance.

      Regulars were myself, Peck, Jose Slaughter, Naptown Seth, Roaming Gnome, I think this was the 3rd time for Trader Joe, counting draft parties?, BillS, LadyAT, Gamble1, and... I believe that was everybody?

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      • #4
        Re: PD Forum Party

        I'm really bummed I couldn't make it. Tried to give it a go but just didn't have it in me yesterday (and still feeling it today).

        How did the new location work out?

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          Originally posted by Hicks View Post
          Brohan Cruyff (never in a million years would have guessed on the spelling, hell I couldn't pronounce it and stuck with his real first name ).
          This is what I get for basing my whole online persona on a Dutch soccer player's name.

          Had a great time, hopefully I can spend a bit more time on the forum this season so people will know who I am at the next one! Thanks to everyone who set things up.
          "And Tottenham do not know what hit them...well I can tell you, it's Theo Walcott!"

          "And it's Tony Adams put through by Steve Bould, WOULD YOU BELIEVE IT?! That...sums it all up."

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            Definitely ready for the next one already haha


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            • #7
              Re: PD Forum Party

              Originally posted by Shade View Post
              How did the new location work out?
              Not well, we won't be returning.

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              • #8
                Re: PD Forum Party

                Originally posted by Jose Slaughter View Post
                Not well, we won't be returning.
                Fox and Hound or Perkins?

                Wish I could of gone, had a close friends birthday party. Hopefully next time.

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                  Re: PD Forum Party

                  Originally posted by Jose Slaughter View Post
                  Not well, we won't be returning.
                  I definitely like being able to go somewhere where we can get beers and food, but yeah management last night at Fox and Hound were pretty much ******** and to totally blow off a part of around 16 is a poor way to do business. It seemed like pretty much any request we made of them was a big hassle.


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                    Originally posted by billbradley View Post
                    Fox and Hound or Perkins?

                    Wish I could of gone, had a close friends birthday party. Hopefully next time.
                    The Fox and the Hound was the problem.

                    Perkins is almost perfect for us.

                    Open 24 hours, pie. right next to an exit on 465, pie, plenty of room, pie, quite and pie.

                    He they had beer we could move in.

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                    • #11
                      Re: PD Forum Party

                      Originally posted by Jose Slaughter View Post
                      The Fox and the Hound was the problem.

                      Perkins is almost perfect for us.

                      Open 24 hours, pie. right next to an exit on 465, pie, plenty of room, pie, quite and pie.

                      He they had beer we could move in.
                      Even though I was there for only an hour I really enjoyed meeting everyone. Just a great group of people who love the Pacers
                      and good friendship. Too loud unfortunately. Thanks for your kindness Jose. Looking forward to the season gathering. Hicks,Peck,Pacersforever,TraderJoe,BobbyMac...gree tings.
                      {o,o}
                      |)__)
                      -"-"-

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                      • #12
                        Re: PD Forum Party

                        Thanks to Jose for setting it up and Peck for moderating the discussions. It was nice to put faces to screen names, but mainly to meet a group of people who are big NBA fans. They're especially tolerant of Piston fans.

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                          Re: PD Forum Party

                          Ugh. Do not slander my friends name. Management at Fox and the Hound was NOT the problem.

                          The party arrangements originally had a specific room reserved. We were moved too a different room because another group actually PAID to have the room we wanted. Considering that every bar in the country has people have reservations and then NEVER show up, when someone actually pays, they get preferential treatment.

                          Considering the new room they moved us too had enough room to seat all of us, neither I nor the management figured this would be a problem. It was. This is MY FAULT. So if anyone is upset we were moved, make sure you're clear that I'm the *******, dickhead, or whatever insult is necessary to describe me. (I should have let everyone know the location had been moved to a different room so new arrangements could be made).

                          After a server was given trouble, (despite her job being nothing more than a server) despite free food already having been given to the group, and after the group was finally moved once again I believe management was more than accommodating.

                          Now, the location is not what you guys want so in the future we can find a much better location, so this is all simply water under the bridge. Who cares.

                          But let's be clear- Management at Fox and the Hound, which hosts parties for hundreds of sports fanatics all year long without ANY complaints, did all that was necessary to please the wishes of the party.

                          Anywho- all that matters is everyone had a great time, and it sounds like all did, so the next time we'll just make sure we don't go to Fox! Cheers!
                          Last edited by mattie; 10-14-2012, 08:49 PM.

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                            Do they have pie?

                            Originally posted by Jose Slaughter View Post
                            Perkins is almost perfect for us.

                            Open 24 hours, pie. right next to an exit on 465, pie, plenty of room, pie, quite and pie.

                            He they had beer we could move in.

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                              Re: PD Forum Party

                              Good to meet many new people, it was a nice dynamic. One of my favorite things about Digest is the in-person interactions. I find that meeting people takes the edge off of some of the online discussions later because you have a face and voice to go with those words and it gives you new perspective on where they are coming from.

                              It was a weird discussion night. First the situation was an extremely poor fit for what a PD party is. The whole point of a PD party is discussion, not "hanging out", so the space needs to be quiet except for the group. And it's best to keep the group away from others because of all the loud discussion. That's the importance of an isolated room.

                              And then on top of that our topics just didn't have the zing of controversy to them. Not that this is a bad thing because for the most part it was case of everyone being in pleased agreement about the team's chances. No one thought the team was in trouble, no one thought they were title favorites either. I think everyone ranked them 2nd in the East, and a big reason for that was the view that the main 9 (starters, Green, Ian, DJ, Young) are all pretty solid and in total are a fair improvement over last year (say better by 10% maybe). Even the Tyler subject has reached a near end as a debate at this point.

                              Heck, when Bobby Mac told a story about the rowdy ABA teams it made me bring up the Brawl as a discussion about how the perception of it being "worst thing ever by players" was incorrect in the context of the forgotten ABA antics, and I think everyone was pretty much in agreement on that. Usually the inevitable brawl discussion blows into some moderately heated discussion, but now it seems like everyone is past it finally and can talk about it with some reduced emotions.

                              So that's where we are as a Pacers fanbase - moderately pleased, slightly comfortable. The ire and angst of recent seasons has really faded, but it hasn't quite been replaced with outright exuberance. I'd say we are in a holding pattern over Honolulu. We haven't touched down in paradise and there's no guarantee we will, but there's a sense that with a little patience we just might find ourselves there in the near future.




                              Having said that I'm teetering on full blown enthusiasm for their title chances THIS year.

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