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    If DWest has the kind of season he showed us the last 3 weeks and during the playoffs, I think it will take his 10 mill, Hans 4 mill, and some change to keep him in Indy. Do you see any other team giving him bigger piles of money after this coming season?

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    He'll be 33 when he gets his new contract... He's a very solid player but even if he has a good season (say 16/8 or something) I don't think he's gonna get 10m/year.

    Anyway, I think West is a decent player and brings maturity to this team, but I don't think we're going to keep him. Our cap situation isn't so great anymore. If we resign him we're gonna have some problems resigning Granger and George.
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    I think we'll resign him for cheaper. Maybe like 3 yr 15M or something.

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    I think we'll resign him for cheaper. Maybe like 3 yr 15M or something.
    There is no way that will be enough. He's going to get at least 8 million/yr if he plays well this year.

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    There is no way that will be enough. He's going to get at least 8 million/yr if he plays well this year.
    I think you could pitch 25-26m for 3 years if he looks solid this year and he'd be interested.

    Yes the team would be pushed on the Paul George increase, but Danny's not going to command more than he's already on the hook for. He's been good on his deal, but not better than the deal.

    Losing that Hans $4m is going to help a lot, and if West comes off $1.5m a year also then you have a good chunk of Paul's raise. Things are tight, but if they work well together then it can be kept in place.

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    If DWest has the kind of season he showed us the last 3 weeks and during the playoffs, I think it will take his 10 mill, Hans 4 mill, and some change to keep him in Indy. Do you see any other team giving him bigger piles of money after this coming season?
    over 14 mil a year? no way. 7-8 mil i'd expect. if no one wanted to take Scola off Houston's hands, and he had 3 years at 9 mil or so on average, then i don't see anyone giving a huge deal to West either.

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    West came to Indy to rehab his knee. His next move is his final shot at big bucks in free agency. He was a two year rental folks.

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    West came to Indy to rehab his knee. His next move is his final shot at big bucks in free agency. He was a two year rental folks.
    Yes and no.

    I really think he chose Indiana because he liked what was available here and thought he could be more useful here. I don't think it was just to rehab his knee.

    I do agree that his two-year deal is all we'll see from him in Indy. I mentioned this in another thread, but I'll repeat it here. DWest has served his purpose for this team. He was brought in to show this young team how to be professional. He was brought in for his toughness, attitude, respect, and approach. We all saw it in the team, in the young guys -- how the maturity level of everyone here took a huge step forward with West's arrival. One more year with that, and guys like Granger, Hibbert, Hill and maybe even Paul George will be grown men who carry themselves as such.

    West was the perfect signing for this exact role.

    But he's not getting any younger. He's not getting any quicker. He's not getting any better on defense or more dynamic on offense. He is what he is. And his contract was designed with that in mind. After this year, his purpose will have been served and I think the team will look for a younger, more dynamic player at his position. He will go on to get a ring or a big payday, and we will go on to remember DWest as a HUGE part of our development towards being contenders. In only two years, he will cement a legacy here in Indy that Pacers fans will always be thankful for.
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    I think the original plan was to sign David West as veteran mentor, with Tyler Hansbrough taking over when West's contract was up. This wasn't unreasonable 2 seasons ago, when Tyler had a fairly promising half season as starting PF. But I think West fit in better and had more of an impact than anyone anticipated. And Tyler not only hasn't built on his second season performance, he's regressed significantly. So I would think our plan A now is to re-sign West. $7-8m per year for 2-3 years as hackashaq says is his likely market value - can't imagine anyone offering more. And if anyone is getting moved, it's probably Tyler.

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    But he's not getting any younger. He's not getting any quicker. He's not getting any better on defense or more dynamic on offense. He is what he is. And his contract was designed with that in mind. After this year, his purpose will have been served and I think the team will look for a younger, more dynamic player at his position. He will go on to get a ring or a big payday, and we will go on to remember DWest as a HUGE part of our development towards being contenders. In only two years, he will cement a legacy here in Indy that Pacers fans will always be thankful for.
    This is also possible. But the big question is - who? If we let West and Augustin walk next season, we will have about $8-9m in cap space after taking roster charges etc into account. That's not nearly enough for Josh Smith, who's probably the top FA PF next season. It may be enough for Paul Millsap though, so I guess he's the guy to watch out for.

    As for trade, well we don't really have a lot of trade assets. Trading say, Granger, for a young talented PF would just open a hole at another position. Ideally, we'd sent out West himself for a younger replacement, but I don't know how much value West will have as a half year rental.

    I still think it's more likely that we re-sign David West than any other option. But things can change a lot by end of the season. We'll see.
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    I think the original plan was to sign David West as veteran mentor, with Tyler Hansbrough taking over when West's contract was up. This wasn't unreasonable 2 seasons ago, when Tyler had a fairly promising half season as starting PF. But I think West fit in better and had more of an impact than anyone anticipated. And Tyler not only hasn't built on his second season performance, he's regressed significantly. So I would think our plan A now is to re-sign West. $7-8m per year for 2-3 years as hackashaq says is his likely market value - can't imagine anyone offering more. And if anyone is getting moved, it's probably Tyler.



    This is also possible. But the big question is - who? If we let West and Augustin walk next season, we will have about $8-9m in cap space after taking roster charges etc into account. That's not nearly enough for Josh Smith, who's probably the top FA PF next season. It may be enough for Paul Millsap though, so I guess he's the guy to watch out for.

    As for trade, well we don't really have a lot of trade assets. Trading say, Granger, for a young talented PF would just open a hole at another position. Ideally, we'd sent out West himself for a younger replacement, but I don't know how much value West will have as a half year rental.

    I still think it's more likely that we re-sign David West than any other option. But things can change a lot by end of the season. We'll see.
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    Millsap would be a dream come true.
    I wouldn't be surprised if this were the case.....which IMHO means that DWest is gone next season unless he can be had for a slightly above average but reasonable price.

    Add in that the Pacers have had an obvious interest in Milsap for the longest time ( who happens to also be a UFA ).......I don't see us getting older...I see us getting younger.
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    This is also possible. But the big question is - who? If we let West and Augustin walk next season, we will have about $8-9m in cap space after taking roster charges etc into account. That's not nearly enough for Josh Smith, who's probably the top FA PF next season. It may be enough for Paul Millsap though, so I guess he's the guy to watch out for.

    As for trade, well we don't really have a lot of trade assets. Trading say, Granger, for a young talented PF would just open a hole at another position. Ideally, we'd sent out West himself for a younger replacement, but I don't know how much value West will have as a half year rental.

    I still think it's more likely that we re-sign David West than any other option. But things can change a lot by end of the season. We'll see.
    If it means we lose a couple of bench guys, but we can somehow add Josh Smith to Hill, George, Granger, and Hibbert, that's something you HAVE to do. Pritchard and Walsh should spend the entire season trying to figure out how to make that work. Josh Smith would absolutely be my #1 target.

    That's not to say I think it's likely he's who we would get. But he's definitely who I would shoot for.
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    If it means we lose a couple of bench guys, but we can somehow add Josh Smith to Hill, George, Granger, and Hibbert, that's something you HAVE to do. Pritchard and Walsh should spend the entire season trying to figure out how to make that work. Josh Smith would absolutely be my #1 target.

    That's not to say I think it's likely he's who we would get. But he's definitely who I would shoot for.
    i'd be scared. too much stupid. I'd be scared to replace the leader of the team with something opposite. Now Millsap, that's close enough.

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    I like him on this team and hopefully he will want to stick around to see this team develop.

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    I hope we can keep him, but a scenario where he goes to one of the big dogs seems likely to me. He's not as entrenched into the franchise like some of the other guys.
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    I pray someone offers him big cash. Then we can try to go after someone who plays D and rebounds..
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    I pray someone offers him big cash. Then we can try to go after someone who plays D and rebounds..
    That way people can start complaining about a power forward who can't score and therefore forces our offense to have to play four on five.

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    That way people can start complaining about a power forward who can't score and therefore forces our offense to have to play four on five.
    Not trying to start an argument or anything like that but I'm pretty sure a lot of power forwards can score 12ppg, hell even Tyler in his horrible year last year was able to average 9ppg.

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    Not trying to start an argument or anything like that but I'm pretty sure a lot of power forwards can score 12ppg, hell even Tyler in his horrible year last year was able to average 9ppg.
    Dale Davis never averaged 12 ppg. Just sayin'. Not sure why I'm sayin', but just sayin'.

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    Dale Davis never averaged 12 ppg. Just sayin'. Not sure why I'm sayin', but just sayin'.
    And Dale Davis could play D and rebound pretty well unlike West.

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    Not trying to start an argument or anything like that but I'm pretty sure a lot of power forwards can score 12ppg, hell even Tyler in his horrible year last year was able to average 9ppg.
    Not all 12 ppg players are equal.

    West is well respected as a scorer and the attention he will get from the defense is different than what Tyler would get even if he scored 12 per.

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    Not all 12 ppg players are equal.

    West is well respected as a scorer and the attention he will get from the defense is different than what Tyler would get even if he scored 12 per.
    Well WAS respected he is not that guy anymore, by the way that was JOB's thinking when he decided to make Murphy his main option how that worked out?

    By looking at starting power forwards in the NBA West is on the bottom in scoring and he is supposed to be an scorer because he doesn't bring defense or rebounding.

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    Not trying to start an argument or anything like that but I'm pretty sure a lot of power forwards can score 12ppg, hell even Tyler in his horrible year last year was able to average 9ppg.
    Let's bend those stats a little more shall we?

    Tyler scored 9PPG at a blistering 40.5% shooting.

    West scored 12.8 at 48.7% shooting....coming off an ACL injury.

    Tyler Hansbrough was maybe the single biggest detriment to any team's offense in the entire league last season. He was that bad. He was a black hole of epic proportions.

    It should be noted West's scoring went up in the playoffs to nearly 15 PPG while still shooting right around 45% from the field. West has been nearly a 50% shooter his whole career. Comparing Tyler and West in any way on the offensive end is just not something one can do. There is a big, big skill gap between the two of them.

    Now, as far as what the Pacers will do with West, I think that will be a big factor in how well the team does this year. West doesn't seem like type to chase money, so if his family is happy here, the Pacers are winning, I could see us offering him a 4 year deal for around $20million.

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    Let's bend those stats a little more shall we?

    Tyler scored 9PPG at a blistering 40.5% shooting.

    West scored 12.8 at 48.7% shooting....coming off an ACL injury.

    Tyler Hansbrough was maybe the single biggest detriment to any team's offense in the entire league last season. He was that bad. He was a black hole of epic proportions.
    Yes Tyler was crap last year.

    It should be noted West's scoring went up in the playoffs to nearly 15 PPG while still shooting right around 45% from the field. West has been nearly a 50% shooter his whole career.
    It should be also noted that West didn't play against a good defensive PF on the playoffs either, we can't ignore that, I bet those numbers are different if Bosh was healthy.

    Comparing Tyler and West in any way on the offensive end is just not something one can do. There is a big, big skill gap between the two of them.
    I agree.

    Now, as far as what the Pacers will do with West, I think that will be a big factor in how well the team does this year. West doesn't seem like type to chase money, so if his family is happy here, the Pacers are winning, I could see us offering him a 4 year deal for around $20million.
    Remember when people thought that Roy was going to take a pay cut? yeah whoever offers West the most money is going to get him and I really hope they don't sign him for 4 years.

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    That way people can start complaining about a power forward who can't score and therefore forces our offense to have to play four on five.
    That's what happened the last time the Pacers had a powerforward who could only play defense and rebound. Pacers fans don't seem to think to highly of Dale Davis.
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