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    Then the next toughest person and the originator of "smashmouth" in Tyler can't even play normal basketball because he has been told that "smashmouth" is great and he should play "smashmouth" at all times
    Is this really the reason that Tyler struggles? I would say that Tyler was likely headed for his current level, regardless of Vogel wanting to be smashmouth.

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    I don't mind smashmouth that leans toward genuine toughness, and not thuggishness (I use the dreaded 'T' word cautiously). You don't have to have a Mason or a Rodman to be a physical (note: not dirty) basketball team. And I think David West is plenty tough enough. I wouldn't cross him.

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    Yeah, I think we have. I remember how irritated Rose got at Foster during the Bulls series in 2011. I wish Foster could have stayed healthy, if for nothing else than to deliver some hard hits in a playoff series.
    Foster is another reason why I think the "smashmouth" thing should die, he is not here anymore.

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    Foster is another reason why I think the "smashmouth" thing should die, he is not here anymore.
    Pray tell, what identity do you think the team should adopt?

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    Maybe we're trying to be a modern version "smashmoth" team. Would you disagree that our physicality has been getting under teams skin for a few years?
    Maybe they are trying to be a modern version of "smashmouth" but the problem is that the Pacers don't have the personal to be "smashmouth" from the past or the present to begging with.

    And yes I remember them getting under teams skins specially Miami and getting under Lebron's skin didn't work out that well either.

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    Maybe they are trying to be a modern version of "smashmouth" but the problem is that the Pacers don't have the personal to be "smashmouth" from the past or the present to begging with.

    And yes I remember them getting under teams skins specially Miami and getting under Lebron's skin didn't work out that well either.
    What current NBA players do the Pacers need to be considered one of the toughest teams? Our players don't back down from anyone. Just because a team is "smashmouth" that doesn't mean they will be the most talented teams, it just means they're a tough, gritty group of guys that don't flop, hustle and play hard with a lot of passion.

    What players do not exemplify that currently on the roster, and who do we need to get in today's NBA so that we could be called "smashmouth" by your standards?

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    And I think David West is plenty tough enough. I wouldn't cross him.
    I'm gonna go on record as saying I wouldn't cross any professional athlete ever.

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    Media-created storylines is one of the most boring things in the NBA...

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    Pray tell, what identity do you think the team should adopt?
    Why does a team needs to have some type of identity? what's Miami's identity? what's the Lakers identity?

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    I'm gonna go on record as saying I wouldn't cross any professional athlete ever.
    Yeah, and David West is near the top of that list.

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    What current NBA players do the Pacers need to be considered one of the toughest teams? Our players don't back down from anyone. Just because a team is "smashmouth" that doesn't mean they will be the most talented teams, it just means they're a tough, gritty group of guys that don't flop, hustle and play hard with a lot of passion.

    What players do not exemplify that currently on the roster, and who do we need to get in today's NBA so that we could be called "smashmouth" by your standards?
    No many players in the current NBA are "smashmouth" no current teams in the NBA are "smashmouth", to me there is not need to declare that a team is "smashmouth", why not let their play do the talking instead of repeating non stop how "smashmouth" they are? That's the part that grinds my gears.

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    I also don't see anything smashmouth about this team.

    I would settle for more screens and pick n rolls. Both West and Tyler should benefit for it on the offensive end.

    It would also be great to learn how to better defend screens and pick n rolls, and just be fundamentally sound.
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    You guys are all going to slap your foreheads the second Vogel lifts that Larry O'Brien trophy and "All Star" is cued up on the PA. Followed by each Pacer doing a dance routine while the season credits roll.

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    Why does a team needs to have some type of identity? what's Miami's identity? what's the Lakers identity?
    They have star power, they don't need an identity. But, point taken. Just seems like a silly thing to dig your heels in about.

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    No many players in the current NBA are "smashmouth" no current teams in the NBA are "smashmouth", to me there is not need to declare that a team is "smashmouth", why not let their play do the talking instead of repeating non stop how "smashmouth" they are? That's the part that grinds my gears.
    Blame Vogel for it. He coined it. He's the first one to say it. He embraces it. The team seems to embrace it. Most fans seem to embrace it.

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    Didn't Vogel basically define smash mouth as playing from the inside out, being physical, and being resilient? Or at least something kind of like that right? If so, that's pretty much what they are, aren't they? In any case, does anyone seriously care so much about this that they feel they have to complain about it?

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    Didn't Vogel basically define smash mouth as playing from the inside out, being physical, and being resilient? Or at least something kind of like that right? If so, that's pretty much what they are, aren't they? In any case, does anyone seriously care so much about this that they feel they have to complain about it?
    You are correct that this is exactly how Vogel stated it.

    As to complaining about it, well in all honesty there were people last year who were not happy with the phrase and not just the ones in this thread.

    I like it myself but then I also understand why some people don't care for it. Especially if they don't define smashmouth basketball as the way Frank states it.


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    Blame Vogel for it. He coined it. He's the first one to say it. He embraces it. The team seems to embrace it. Most fans seem to embrace it.
    I know that Vogel is the one that brought it up and I understand that at the time he took over something needed to be done to bring some fans back, "smashmouth" was the right PR move at the time, I understand why he did it, what's grinding my gears is that now almost two years later he is still saying the same thing.

    To me is similar to the guy that says he has game and doesn't let his game do the talk, Vogel keeps repeating that they are "smashmouth" but in reality they are not.

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    To me, the whole point is we all should base this on how Frank chose to define it. If Frank had defined it as something that the Pacers are not, or if he had never defined it at all or had merely been vague and non-commital, then I could completely understand complaining about it. But Frank made a point of explaining it, and it does seem to apply to this team, and he owns it, so I really don't see a reason for anyone to complain other than wanting the team to play differently.

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    To me, the whole point is we all should base this on how Frank chose to define it. If Frank had defined it as something that the Pacers are not, or if he had never defined it at all or had merely been vague and non-commital, then I could completely understand complaining about it. But Frank made a point of explaining it, and it does seem to apply to this team, and he owns it, so I really don't see a reason for anyone to complain other than wanting the team to play differently.
    As you said "to me", others don't view it that way. I agree with you btw but there were posters last year who had a problem with it as well and for a variety of reasons.

    Also while nobody here has brought it up I do think Frank's use of the term as often as he does has contributed a little to the league wide perception that we are arrogant and cocky. I think the entire NBA is nuts about that myself but I do think some of it stems from Franks style of talking.


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    Smashmouth, smashmoth, smashpotato, blah, blah, blah.

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    You are correct that this is exactly how Vogel stated it.

    As to complaining about it, well in all honesty there were people last year who were not happy with the phrase and not just the ones in this thread.

    I like it myself but then I also understand why some people don't care for it. Especially if they don't define smashmouth basketball as the way Frank states it.
    Yeah, maybe the term "hard-nosed basketball" might fit better than "smashmouth". Smashmouth does have a bit of a thugish sound to it.

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    But is smashmouth thuggish as a football description?
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    But is smashmouth thuggish as a football description?
    Well considering one is supposed to in theory be a non contact sport I could see where people might get that impression.


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    I know that Vogel is the one that brought it up and I understand that at the time he took over something needed to be done to bring some fans back, "smashmouth" was the right PR move at the time, I understand why he did it, what's grinding my gears is that now almost two years later he is still saying the same thing.

    To me is similar to the guy that says he has game and doesn't let his game do the talk, Vogel keeps repeating that they are "smashmouth" but in reality they are not.
    You definition of smashmouth, isn't exactly everyone else's definition. Vogel simply wants the team to play harder, tougher, and more physically than other teams. More often than not, that was the case last season. There's nothing wrong with wanting this to be the identity of our team and preaching it to the team as well as the media.

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