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    I was gone all summer, so I missed any updates. I assume he's healthy, since we haven't heard otherwise. Right now, I'm hoping for a 3-man big rotation (starters plus mahini) with Granger picking up some occasional PF minutes. Is there any reason to think he'll be better this year? He's gotten worse (or perhaps "solved") the longer he's been in the NBA.

    Or am I being unreasonably pessimistic?
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    Dribble, Bull Rush, Charge...in that order

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    Effectively handing towels to Jeff Pendergraph.
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    Seriously though, I think he'll settle into a more defined role that fits him, and have better success.

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    He has to completely prove himself this year. As of now, I'm expecting more of what we got last year.

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    To hit his 15'-18' shot at a much better efficiency. To block out his man and rebound better. To hopefully pass the ball and find a way to average 3 assist per 40 minutes. To be a beast in the paint more often. To slam the rock with attitude, like he did on Amare. To take advantage of every minute played like a veteran and not a one dimensional black hole.
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    I thin we are too pessimistic about Hans based on a tough season of change. Lost his first real starting job in his career, lost his paint banging to Fosters' back and started being used very badly on defense. We had Hans setting PnR screens at the 3pt line, and on too many occasions getting the ball back from the runner outside the paint and with no time. Maybe if we go back to using him as DWest replacement and getting West's shots he can contribute to the team. If not, we need to move him to SF or trade him to a team where he can play his natural position, paint banger, rebounder, put back guy who draws fouls; JMO, of course.

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    I'm expecting big things out of Tyler. Cause Frank had faith that he could turn him around. So I'm gonna have faith that he did until I see otherwise. It's a good chance to see what the coaching staff is capable of.

    "Tyler needs an offseason," Coach Frank Vogel said. "He's a guy I'd like to work with more than any player on our team this summer. With the motor that he has, if he ever develops the game, the skill-set, the moves and the counter-moves someone like David West has, really the sky's the limit for what he can do.

    "Since he's been drafted he hasn't had an offseason to work with the coaching staff whether it's injuries or the lockout or whatever. He has a tremendous area for growth in terms of developing his skill set and his moves."
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    So let's wait and see what new tricks Tyler has learned. And if we get the same old Tyler then we can all be disappointed. But if he's trying counter-moves and things we haven't seen from him before then we should all be encouraged.

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    I thought Vogel's quote about wanting to work with Tyler was interesting when I first saw it. But did coach actually get to work with him, or did he go back to NC as usual?

    If he stayed in Indy and worked with our staff, I wouldn't be surprised to see some noticeable improvement.

    If he didn't, I wouldn't be surprised to see more of the same.
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    I'm expecting big things out of Tyler. Cause Frank had faith that he could turn him around. So I'm gonna have faith that he did until I see otherwise. It's a good chance to see what the coaching staff is capable of.

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    So let's wait and see what new tricks Tyler has learned. And if we get the same old Tyler then we can all be disappointed. But if he's trying counter-moves and things we haven't seen from him before then we should all be encouraged.
    Yeah, I'm just kinda waiting for an article that says he's done that. Show me one counter-move and I'll be hopeful.
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    I thought he was on a commercial with Josh Smith but it looks like the commercial hired a white guy that looks like Tyler and has the Pacers jersey on, has anybody seen the commercial yet?

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    Yeah, I'm just kinda waiting for an article that says he's done that. Show me one counter-move and I'll be hopeful.
    I agree, it would be nice if the local paper covered the team. Oh well. But we're so close to finding out if he's improved. We should know in ten days or less. So no real need to speculate. I'm going to assume that the coaching staff helped him work on the skills that he needs. Why wouldn't everyone assume that? I'm going to be hopeful until I have reason not to be.

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    I think we are being a little rough on Tyler based on last year's performance. He lost his first starting job EVER, then lost his best paint mate when Foster went down. Under the revamped play calling we went to, Hans seemed to be used to set PnR screens above the 3 pt. line, giving him no shot. When the plays broke down from over dribbling, Hans got the ball back out of position and with no time to make a basketball move before shooting. Thus his average and confidence went down. Once you lose the confidence in the short jump shot, your game is easy to defend. Hoping he reverts back to his time as the Head Goon or the last starter and plays his game with confidence. If not, the Ps should start finding him a home he fits into. The last half of 2011, IMO, he had not place to fit into the Pacers offensive. Thoughts?

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    My expectations could not be lower.

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    My expectations could not be lower.
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    I have a feeling that Tyler is going to come out kicking some a**, he is finally going to have a point guard that can actually pass the ball, how many times we saw where he was by himself under the rim and never got the ball? Tyler is also pretty good at running down the court with the point guard but as always he never got the ball, I expect Augustin to make Tyler a better player, he better get ready because some passes are going to hit him in the face.

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    Improvement. He's been taking a beating around here (rightfully so, he was awful all last season), and he doesn't seem like the type that just rolls over and dies. He seems like a worker. If he is willing to listen and work with the coaching staff, I think he could be a solid big off the bench. Frustrating at times to be sure, and his defense likely will be pretty poor, but I think he's better than what he showed last year.

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    I really like Tyler, a whole lot actually. I love his hustle. I love his aggressiveness and toughness. I think he actually moves pretty well without the ball as well. I just think he doesn't always make the smart play. Is he trying to prove too much by taking every shot that hits his hands or what? I'm not sure where his head is at to be honest. Does he think that passing to his teammates is a weakness? Does he think that he can dunk over anybody in the NBA? I don't know.

    I broke down Tyler a week or two ago, but there are a couple of things I would like to see from him in condensed form:

    Ball movement
    More arc on his jump shot
    Passing out of the post when he gets in trouble
    Don't get too far under the basket with the ball in his hands
    Waiting for the pick to be set before he rolls (a lot of that was on Collison setting up picks)
    Roll to the basket more instead of settling forthe jumper
    Set more post to post picks

    OK... so I think Tyler could see a lot of improvement in his game due to Augustin being a better PG. DC did not do a very good job of setting up or defending pick and rolls. I don't know why the two of them couldn't get on the same page. I think Hans could be an elite pick setter in the NBA. He just is too focused on getting his shot from 17 feet than setting up the rest of the team.

    I tell you that we can get what we got last year from Tyler right now from Pendergraph, with someone who will finish around the rim. If Hansborough doesn't seem to grow as a player, then I'd rather see Pendergraph earlier in the season. I think I'd even like to see some minutes from Plumlee if it continues.
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    I think part of our problem with Tyler is we expected to much from him last year (ok, it wasn't good either, but I'll explain). Our second unit last year was pretty bad, and an extra expectation was put on Tyler to help carry that load. When Foster went down, he was put in an awful position of being an untalented player trying to be a scorer on a fairly bad second unit in an undersized front line. Tyler is best when he is expected to create nothing, hustle like hell, put the fear of God into some opposing players, get called for a couple charges, travel twice, and get to the foul line 6 times. Hopefully adding a more facilitating pg to the second unit will help get Tyler open looks in the 10-15 foot range (I believe that can be his game). Also, there will be more size on the back-up front line with Miahinmi, which should take some pressure off of Tyler. And with Green possibly emerging as a definitive number one scoring option on a second unit, this should limit Tyler to more of a role player (I.E., hustle, get fouled, play angry, hit a couple open mid-range jumpers.) All of this should make Tyler a better player by default.

    Or he could look exactly the same as last year, but since I'm feeling optimistic about the team I might as well feel optimistic about the entire team.
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    I would be happy to see an end of spazz-ball. I love to see him getting after it on the glass, but his head plays faster than his body can go on O. If he can consistently play under control and figure out when to kick it out faster, he might not cause quite the nausea I had every time he set foot on the court at the end of last year.

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    He's a PF who shoots 40% and is a poor rebounder if you take out rebounding his own misses. He has no counter moves, like Coach said. He doesn't read the offense or defense well, evident by the assist watch to start every season and watch his rotations, teammates cover for him often. He struggles against length on both sides of the ball. He plays aggressive, but not intuitive or with purpose or results.

    He really only brings two things to the table 1.) he's physical and aggressive 2.) he gets to the line. This is the big leagues, you can't get by on just that.

    PS how can you play all your life and have no ability to use your left hand around the basket. Its to the point I question whether he even works on his game very hard. He has better physical tools than his the skills he's developed.

    It's harsh, but when you see a guy get figured out by opposing teams and then not add anything, it makes you wonder.

    So ya, I'm not asking for much, but I'd like a PF who can rebound and shoot high 40s offensively.

    Here's Tyler, going over his left shoulder with his right hand around the basket. Can hit 17 footer.

    Last question, how can you be as aggressive and physical as he is an not be an offensive rebounding machine, sans his own misses.

    Sorry its just really frustrating he doesn't improve.

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    PS how can you play all your life and have no ability to use your left hand around the basket. Its to the point I question whether he even works on his game very hard. He has better physical tools than his the skills he's developed.
    The man was college player of the year. That's not something they hand out to scrubs. He developed the skills he needed to succeed at that level. Now he's at a new level. I'd say the odds are that he'll develop the skills he needs to succeed at this level. Is it a certainty? Of course not, but I'm willing to give him a chance.

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    The man was college player of the year. That's not something they hand out to scrubs. He developed the skills he needed to succeed at that level. Now he's at a new level. I'd say the odds are that he'll develop the skills he needs to succeed at this level. Is it a certainty? Of course not, but I'm willing to give him a chance.
    Yeah, me too. However, the idea that he just needs time to adjust to the pro level was a lot more appealing after his first year and after his second year. If he hasn't improved overall this season, reasoning like this isn't going to fly at all this time next season.

    I'm rooting for him. He's a Pacer. When he has those little flashes of very good, he's fun to watch. But at this point I am not expecting much and I'm glad we have some players on the bench that will be able to eat into his time if necessary.
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    Yeah, me too. However, the idea that he just needs time to adjust to the pro level was a lot more appealing after his first year and after his second year. If he hasn't improved overall this season, reasoning like this isn't going to fly at all this time next season.
    But that's where I'd point to Vogel's quote. About this being the first chance that Tyler's gotten to work with the coaches over the summer. If Tyler doesn't improve then we may have to point our fingers at the coaches too.

    I'm just hoping that watching West play game after game last season made a big impression on Tyler. West has the kind of game that Tyler needs to develop.

    If Tyler doesn't improve this season, then I'm not expecting him to be back. There are better ways to spend the money. And personally I think Miles is a better long term option. I loved the quickness and length that he showed in the summer league. It's going to be fun to see how it plays out.

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