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    http://espn.go.com/nba/powerrankings...r/2013/week/-1

    I didn't see this posted yet. I don't think Philly is a better team but for everyone else the arguement can be made that they are. I hope the Pacers prove them wrong but the concept that our bench improved is just false. We need to improve from within if we're going to move forward this season.

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    How can they not start out peering down at 29 other teams? Even if the Heat do launch slowly with Wade and Ray Ray healing, it's not just our rule about defending champions that matters. Also: Mr. James returns as undisputed King of his sport for the first time ever.
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    Los Angeles
    41-25
    Maybe you can't win anything in the summertime. What you can do, though, is leapfrog everyone else in Power Rankdom apart from the defending champs when you trade for Dwight and Nash without surrendering Pau, which still hasn't fully sunk in even after writing that sentence dozens of times.
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    Oklahoma City
    47-19
    Am I, like so many out there, overlooking the fact that the Lakers still have lots of chemistry wrinkles to work out and health questions to answer? Guilty. Thing is, OKC convenes for camp amid plenty of its own uncertainty thanks to Harden's contract situation, Perk's health and that Finals flameout.
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    50-16
    Timmy, Manu and Tony don't get any easier to read with age. Who could have predicted the 20 games in a row they won or the four straight Ls to OKC after that brush with invincibility? Want to write the Spurs off after a summer of precious little change? Go for it. We'll pass.
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    40-26
    Last season of bliss before CP3 leaves Blake and Clipperland behind? Or the start of something truly special that makes L.A. feel like Manchester with two true powerhouse teams in the same neighborhood? Like it or not, Staples Center is the NBA's two-team epicenter for juicy storylines. For now.
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    39-27
    Whether or not you agree with Rondo's claim that the Celts are still on the short list of five teams that can win it all, there's no denying they'll have a bench this time with JET Terry, Courtney Lee, Jeff Green and Darko arriving to succeed the departed Ray Allen and Stiemsma.
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    Find myself drawn to the Sixers as much as anyone in the East chasing Miami. Time will tell if I'm assuming too much about Bynum's impact, but Philly automatically skyrockets here for now in the wake of a trade that landed an undeniable franchise center and got Dwight out of the East.
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    Indy's splashiest acquisition was Donnie Walsh. Nothing wrong with that -- not when the Pacers also re-signed Hibbert and George Hill -- but that means Frank Vogel is clearly dependent on improvement from within to maintain their spot in the East's elite. Not so simple.
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    Denver
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    The Nuggets, with Iguodala, are right there with Memphis and Dallas in the West's steel-cage battle for the bottom four playoff seeds. Yet you can't shake the suspicion that, even if Iggy and JaVale McGee have big years, they'll find out first-hand what sort of monster they helped L.A. assemble.
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    Dallas
    36-30
    After missing out on D-Will, Dallas never dreamed it could offer only one-year deals to the rest of the free-agent pack and still come away with Mayo, Kaman, Brand and Collison. The problem? The West is suddenly super deep again. And now Dallas has to score in Free Agency 2013.

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    I disagree that our bench did not improve. There is no denying that Ian Mahinmi is a big improvement over Lou Amundson . If you compare Leandro Barbosa and Gerald Green from last year Gerald Green was the better player, Gerald is also younger so he has more room to improve. D.J. Augustin and Darren Collison are close, I think they are even and based on the person's opinion one might be better than the other, but I think D.J. is a better fit for this team, I think his skills suit this team better than what Collison's did. I like to think of it as a trade. The Pacers traded away Darren Collison, Lou Amundson, and Leandro Barbosa for Gerald Green, Ian Mahinmi, and D.J. Augustin. I think the Pacers won

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    Philly ahead of us is a joke. They lost what 3 of their starters. Sure they got Bynum but still. And does Stein just not know who DJ Augustin is? Or what about Gerald Green. Green

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    I think the 6ers shouldn't be ahead of us, but can see it. However, it's ridiculous how high the Clippers are. They should be sitting about number 8 or 9.

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    Yeah I was pretty surprised to see Philly ahead of us. First off, while Bynum is a nice addition, that team is still oddly put together. And don't underestimate the loss of Andre Iguodala. That guy was a rock for that team defensively. Plus, I'm still not sold on Bynum being healthy for an entire 82 game season. I actually think we are better than Boston too, but that argument has more merit to me than Philly.

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    Philly is overrated as usual.

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    Philly is going to fall apart without Iggy. Without him it is a bunch of overrated youngsters. Bynum isn't mature either.
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    Philly ahead of us is a joke. They lost what 3 of their starters. Sure they got Bynum but still. And does Stein just not know who DJ Augustin is? Or what about Gerald Green. Green
    Yeah, Stein should show some respect for the starting point guard and the 6th man for teams that won a combined 22% of their games last year. Geez.

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    Philly should be improved but will miss Iggy's defense and leadership. However, they still have Jrue Holliday, Evan Turner, Spencer Hawes, and they added Jason Richardson and Bynum. Don't forget that they are coached by Doug Collins as well. They're gonna be a very tough team to beat if they can stay healthy.

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    Don't forget that they are coached by Doug Collins as well.
    I'm not sure that's a good thing. It's year three for Doug Collins in Philly. That's usually the time we wears out his welcome with his players.

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    Richardson sucked last year. So unless he has a rebound year thats really not something working in their favor.

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    The Clippers being that high is a joke.

    I need to really start looking at the 76ers because while I think they will be good I just don't see them as that good. I could see the Knicks having a better year than them but I need to think on this for awhile.


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    You all just need to get used to the Pacers being the media's Dark Horse this year.
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    The 76ers also added Dorrell Wright, Nick Young, Kwame Brown, and have T Young and Lavoy Allen who played well in the playoffs. I still think the pacers are better, but they seem to be a deep team with a lot of young talent.

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    Unless you're an established, veteran team, national media members will sleep on you When you don't make any sexy moves in the offseason. We've seemed to have thrived within the underdog role ever since Vogel took over; so this just adds to the bulletin board. (though idk if being ranked 8th in the power rankings constitutes as an underdog)

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    Dallas is living off reputation. They did well for themselves after missing out on the superstuds, but...why? It's not like they're us, they've got plenty of goodwill in the fanbase why build a maybe playoff team instead of saying screw it and get a top 5 pick? But DC/Mayo/Marion?/Dirk/Kaman is just not that good, they're clearly not winning a title this year, I think it's 50/50 they even make the playoffs. They're old as dirt, you made moves to get a star, it didn't work, let those moves reach their conclusion and get (hopefully) a star in the draft by sucking.

    In a vacuum Dallas had a nice offseason with what they were working with. But looking back in 5 years I think it's going to be a major misstep. And them as a top 10 team is just ridiculous, that's a .500 team, maybe.

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    I'd say the bench is better, but how much better is key, and that remains to be seen. Not sold on Hans or Mahinmi. Green & Agustin have had their moments, but still have something to prove as far as consistency, so there are question marks.

    I agree with a poster (??) I saw in another thread talking about the potential that our expectations have outstripped the actual improvement potential of the roster. I don't know if that's exactly how I'd explain it, but I think the sentiment is simpler.

    My take is more like, since Vogel's first (partial) season, each iteration of the team has gone about as ideally as one could realistically hope. On one hand, that leads you to believe their can be more improvment...and there may be. On the flip side, we've come so far given this core, this may be the year where we experience more struggles. It's easier to make quick gains from a lower starting point (what Vogel essentially inherited) than from a successful position (result of last roughly season & 1/3 under Vogel) trying to rise to the next tier.

    So, this may be the year where we plateau a bit, or possibly even regress slightly, although I'm not saying we won't be a good team/playoff team. Although the bench may end up being better when it's all said and done, I tend to think any further improvement falls primarily on Roy, Paul, and George to make noticeable strides in development. And a healthy, better shooting % Danny wouldn't hurt.
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    Philly is going to fall apart without Iggy. Without him it is a bunch of overrated youngsters. Bynum isn't mature either.
    This will be one of the more interesting things about this season. Iggy was critical defensively but Bynum's impact in the paint will completely change that team. They will need good shooters to go along with Bynum and good playmaking to take a step forward. If Bynum is a good fit, I think they improved. If not, they took a slight step back.

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    Yeah, Stein should show some respect for the starting point guard and the 6th man for teams that won a combined 22% of their games last year. Geez.
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    The Clippers being that high is a joke.

    I need to really start looking at the 76ers because while I think they will be good I just don't see them as that good. I could see the Knicks having a better year than them but I need to think on this for awhile.
    The Knicks have a ton of talent and will challenge Philly, Boston and Indiana. Players who are still in their prime are Mello, JR Smith and Tyson Chandler. Amare Stoudemire is no longer dominant, but he's still an above average starter. I think people discount his contributions because he's not the same player. They do need Shumpert to return by midseason, although Ronnie Brewer was a decent addition to fill that need.

    Their PG situation is a question mark, but JKidd's experience and chemistry with Chandler should help them. Felton's numbers are on par with Augustin.

    Then you have the old guys who fill out the roster like Camby, Thomas and Sheed. It's hard to say whether those guys would be more effective than Tyler and our other scrubs.

    But the reason why the Knicks have a chance is really Mello. He can be a load and take over the game. We don't have a player like that.

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    The Knicks have a ton of talent and will challenge Philly, Boston and Indiana. Players who are still in their prime are Mello, JR Smith and Tyson Chandler. Amare Stoudemire is no longer dominant, but he's still an above average starter. I think people discount his contributions because he's not the same player. They do need Shumpert to return by midseason, although Ronnie Brewer was a decent addition to fill that need.

    Their PG situation is a question mark, but JKidd's experience and chemistry with Chandler should help them. Felton's numbers are on par with Augustin.

    Then you have the old guys who fill out the roster like Camby, Thomas and Sheed. It's hard to say whether those guys would be more effective than Tyler and our other scrubs.

    But the reason why the Knicks have a chance is really Mello. He can be a load and take over the game. We don't have a player like that.

    I agree. I've been saying for a while that the Knicks' talent is much higher than the Pacers. I sure wouldn't want to play them in a playoff series. I haven't forgotten that weekend whooping they gave us back in March where they won 115-100 on a Friday night at the Garden, and then the next night ran us out of Indy by 14 points.

    Lin was a fun story, but I don't think they will miss him all that much. Felton worked out very well there two years ago and J-Kidd will be a fine backup who will be an excellent addition in the locker room. As you say, he has chemistry with Chandler from Dallas. They now have two important players who understand how a championship team conducts itself. They can bring their rings into the locker room and say "You want this? Well here's how you have to do do things...."

    Roy struggled to put up points against an Orlando team without Howard and a Miami team without Bosh. The Knicks' would absolutely torment him on D with the rotation of Chandler and Camby. Camby, while ancient, still averaged 9 rebounds a game last year and played in 59/62 games. Those two would make life unpleasant for Roy.

    Then you have Melo and Amare, who are still way better than any player we have on our roster. The Knicks are way more talented than the Pacers on paper. The only question is if the chemistry can work, and that's certainly a legitimate question. If it doesn't happen this season then I don't think it will ever happen. But if it does, then everyone not named Miami needs to watch their back.
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    Philly ahead of us is a joke. They lost what 3 of their starters. Sure they got Bynum but still. And does Stein just not know who DJ Augustin is? Or what about Gerald Green. Green

    Collison and Augistin essentially cancel each other out. If Augistin is better than Collison, it isn't by much. Augistin was able to do a lot more last year because he was on such a bad team. Collison had to share with George Hill.

    Our net gain was essentially Gerald Green, Ian Mahinmi, a rookie, and some scrubs for training camp. That's not enough to make a national writer like Stein bat an eye. It's pretty weak compared to what most teams in the East did this offseason.

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    They may cancel each other out by talent, but if Augustin is going to be a distributor contrasting to Collison's scorer role, then I think that could have a greater impact on the rest of the bench than Collison did.

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    I agree. I've been saying for a while that the Knicks' talent is much higher than the Pacers. I sure wouldn't want to play them in a playoff series. I haven't forgotten that weekend whooping they gave us back in March where they won 115-100 on a Friday night at the Garden, and then the next night ran us out of Indy by 14 points.

    Lin was a fun story, but I don't think they will miss him all that much. Felton worked out very well there two years ago and J-Kidd will be a fine backup who will be an excellent addition in the locker room. As you say, he has chemistry with Chandler from Dallas. They now have two important players who understand how a championship team conducts itself. They can bring their rings into the locker room and say "You want this? Well here's how you have to do do things...."

    Roy struggled to put up points against an Orlando team without Howard and a Miami team without Bosh. The Knicks' would absolutely torment him on D with the rotation of Chandler and Camby. Camby, while ancient, still averaged 9 rebounds a game last year and played in 59/62 games. Those two would make life unpleasant for Roy.

    Then you have Melo and Amare, who are still way better than any player we have on our roster. The Knicks are way more talented than the Pacers on paper. The only question is if the chemistry can work, and that's certainly a legitimate question. If it doesn't happen this season then I don't think it will ever happen. But if it does, then everyone not named Miami needs to watch their back.
    Roy struggled to score? I must have missed that. Big Roy avg 12 and 11 in the playoffs on only 9 shots a game. You up those FGA to 13, and it's prob closer to 15-16 ppg. I think at this point in their careers, he's better than Amare. Maybe not as talented, but does offer more contributions within the game.

    I agree the Knicks have a lot of talent. If they can get or together, they could easily be number two in the east. But we've been saying that since Melo was traded there. If they don't do anything this season, like make the 2nd rd of the playoffs, I'd have to think they'd blow it up and see that the pieces aren't complimenting one another.

    Should be interesting how they begin the season.

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    Collison and Augistin essentially cancel each other out. If Augistin is better than Collison, it isn't by much. Augistin was able to do a lot more last year because he was on such a bad team. Collison had to share with George Hill.

    Our net gain was essentially Gerald Green, Ian Mahinmi, a rookie, and some scrubs for training camp. That's not enough to make a national writer like Stein bat an eye. It's pretty weak compared to what most teams in the East did this offseason.
    I agree although I give DC the edge over DJ. While our net gain was Green and Ian our net loss in that was a ton of cap space, Barbosa, Lou and Jones.
    Green is not really a step up over Barbosa and Jones. Ian is a step up over Lou at center but it's sad that this was the best we could do for a 4 year contract. He doesn't block shots, and is too weak to really defend the post and protect the rim. He'll be a plus in guarding quicker big men though.
    At best we broke even with our bench which again is sad considering what we spent and had to work with. This isn't being negative about the team, I expect our core to improve but it is being realistic. We're ranked a little low IMO but I can understand.

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