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    How can any Colts fan not be excited by what we have seen from Luck? He has shown a lot of poise in the final moments of games. He might not be 2004 Peyton Manning, but he is a pretty damn good rookie. He will probably have a better rookie season than Manning.

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    How can any Colts fan not be excited by what we have seen from Luck? He has shown a lot of poise in the final moments of games. He might not be 2004 Peyton Manning, but he is a pretty damn good rookie. He will probably have a better rookie season than Manning.
    Well, considering he will chuck the ball about 50 times, he might have as many yards but that is about it. I am a Colts fan and I am not impressed with Luck at all. I will keep an open mind that the offensive line may be causing most of those problems but I see a QB who floats long passes and routinely throws behind receivers. If you watch RGIII, you will see a world of difference in throwing the ball......

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    But, Luck isn't a superstar. RGIII is.....
    Both QBs have a record of 1-2, at this point with a losing record you can't say that about either quarterback.
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    Well, considering he will chuck the ball about 50 times, he might have as many yards but that is about it. I am a Colts fan and I am not impressed with Luck at all. I will keep an open mind that the offensive line may be causing most of those problems but I see a QB who floats long passes and routinely throws behind receivers. If you watch RGIII, you will see a world of difference in throwing the ball......
    Luck looks like he is going to throw more TDs than Peyton too. And less picks currently.

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    Luck looks like he is going to throw more TDs than Peyton too. And less picks currently.
    Far too early to decide any of that. Luck has a long way to go to every become even a shadow of Peyton Manning.... He has enough of a problem trying to be as good as RGIII, the best QB taken in the draft......

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    Far too early to decide any of that. Luck has a long way to go to every become even a shadow of Peyton Manning.... He has enough of a problem trying to be as good as RGIII, the best QB taken in the draft......
    I am talking about vs. Manning's rookie year.

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    I am talking about vs. Manning's rookie year.
    Manning was playing with a much better team too. OK, so Luck is proving he can be as bad as an early Manning. The question is, will he improve at the same rate as Peyton did? Personally, I think that is an impossible task for him or any other QB, but I will watch and keep an open mind. But, I sure like what I see from RGIII....

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    As bad as an early Manning? Huh?

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    As bad as an early Manning? Huh?
    Isn't that what you were saying? I agree with you if it was.... Now, can he improve as much as Peyton did. The answer to that is "no" in my opinion and it won't be close. It will be a long time before you see Luck in a playoff game and perhaps never in a Super Bowl....

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    Peyton statistically had one of the best rookie seasons for a QB ever.

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    1. I recently saw something on NFL network where they talked about the way the Redskins were designing plays that helped RGIII get easy completions. Since they are so good at running the ball, they are able to design plays that basically cuts the field in half and giving him 1-2 reads. Luck has the entire playbook open to him.
    2. Griffin is playing much more efficiently and with better poise than Luck. Yes Luck has looked good in 2-min drills, but he's looked pretty pedestrian in the past two 3rd qtrs. He routinely throws behind receivers, and yes some of his balls flutter. Griffin on the other hand has done a great job at limiting turnovers, and hitting receivers when they're open. Both have looked great on the run however.
    3. Luck has good arm strength. Maybe not elite arm strength, but he can fit throws into tight windows. No his deep ball isnt as impressive as Griffin's, but Griffin hasn't shown a consistent ability to zip the ball into tight coverage as much as Luck because he's normally throwing a screen, a short slant across the middle, or a deep bomb after play-action. When throwing the deep ball, protection has to be very good. Griffin has been allotted time to stand in the pocket and throw down field following play action. Aside from last weeks TD pass to Hilton, Luck hasn't had good enough protection to sit and look deep very often. The few times he has, he's made some good throws, and he's made some bad ones. But a lot like Brady, Manning, I don't think Luck is a deep down field passer as much as he's a "seam" thrower. A guy who will be able to dominate on passes in the 15-30 yard range. Griffin on the other hand is a home run threat every time he drops back, but can he squeeze a pass into tight windows, in front of the safety but over linebacker, is the question.

    So far Griffin has played a lot better than Luck, statistically. And maybe I'm a pessimist but I'm near as impressed with what he's done so far as a lot on this board. But I'm not stupid either lol. To say Luck is Chad Pennington 2.0 is kind of crazy (Esp because Chad NEVER threw anything longer than 30-40 yards) Once he gets more consistent on his short throws (surprisingly, he's less accurate on short throws than he is on his deep ones) these 300 yard games could quickly turn into 350 yard, monster games.

    As far as Griffin is concerned, I think a lot on here try to hate on the guy in an attempt to justify the Luck selection. Griffin has played very well, and seems to be on the fast track to stardom. Yes he has it a bit easier due to the offensive scheme, offensive line, and the threat of a running game. But the guy is still a rookie and has a triple digit QB rating. Give him some credit also.

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    It's also kind of funny that the negativity about Luck from certain poster's didn't come until AFTER the week when he lead a game winning two minute drill. (Even though he almost did the same thing this past game against JAX)

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    Since when did Washington get a good running game?

    I keep hearing about this and our "good" offensive line, not sure where this myth started but it is false.

    For crying out loud we just signed Ryan Grant

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    not gonna lie, i love what we've seen from Luck so far, but RG3 is nice too. RG3 has something about him that makes him a superstar. If the Colts drafted him he would have made Indy at FA destination

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    Since when did Washington get a good running game?

    I keep hearing about this and our "good" offensive line, not sure where this myth started but it is false.

    For crying out loud we just signed Ryan Grant
    You average 180.7 yards RUSHING a game! How is that not a good running game?

    And for a team to be able to average nearly 200 yarda a game on the ground, there has to be some pretty good blocking going on

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    not gonna lie, i love what we've seen from Luck so far, but RG3 is nice too. RG3 has something about him that makes him a superstar. If the Colts drafted him he would have made Indy at FA destination

    I agree with you but I am not sure it was so obvious at draft time. He does have a great personality and he may rival Peyton in endorsements.....

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    It's also kind of funny that the negativity about Luck from certain poster's didn't come until AFTER the week when he lead a game winning two minute drill. (Even though he almost did the same thing this past game against JAX)
    I was not able to be online to comment. If I had, you would have heard it.... The Colts got out coached that last game. There will be more of that too...

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    You average 180.7 yards RUSHING a game! How is that not a good running game?

    And for a team to be able to average nearly 200 yarda a game on the ground, there has to be some pretty good blocking going on

    Things started off good in week 1, but how many of those rushing yards were by RG3 (or because of RG3) running the GD MOTHER EFFING tripple option.

    I think its fair to say the NFL has figured out our tripple option attack.....and it does not help we literally are running out of running backs.

    When everyone is healthy I guess we have a decent O-line. However, that never happens, and RG3 was sacked...what.....4000 times last week.

    I will give you our offense has finally showed up this year, but I still think our O-line has huge holes in it, and that is when everyone is healthy (which never happens in the NFL)

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    As far as Griffin is concerned, I think a lot on here try to hate on the guy in an attempt to justify the Luck selection. Griffin has played very well, and seems to be on the fast track to stardom. Yes he has it a bit easier due to the offensive scheme, offensive line, and the threat of a running game. But the guy is still a rookie and has a triple digit QB rating. Give him some credit also.
    I don't think alot of people on here hate on the guy to justify the Luck selection personally. Maybe one or two but lets be honest here RG3 has gone against arguably the 3 worse defenses in the league right now and his team has lost 2 of those games. Now I don't blame those losses on him but his QB rating is a direct reflection of those defenses IMO. In the end I think everyone comes back down to having pretty good numbers overall but nothing like a passer rating of 103.5.

    Griffen is a good player but this argument of him vs Luck always comes back to durability. Joe Theisman was on 1070 the fan today and he said he doesn't see Griffen making it past week 8 with how he is being used. Now personally I wouldn't put a time table on when he is going to get hurt but I think its question of when not if now.

    As far as hating on my part its probably more about the stupid hype machine of Espn and the like that ticks me off. I have watched enough football to know that any conclusion in week 1-8 is pretty stupid.

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    I agree with you but I am not sure it was so obvious at draft time. He does have a great personality and he may rival Peyton in endorsements.....
    You act like Luck won't. Heck I already saw Luck in a commercial for FIFA. You know only one of the most popular sports games on the planet.

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    Peyton statistically had one of the best rookie seasons for a QB ever.
    Yes, he did but as you pointed out he gave up his share of interceptions or perhaps more. Luck has a low completion percentage but he is getting to chuck it 50 times per game. He should throw for a lot of yards until one of those pass rushers catches up with him in the act of throwing and he gets hurt for the season. That offensive line is miserable and it makes it hard to determine how good Luck actually is.... Compare RGIII's stats and QB rating to Luck and you will see some of that difference....

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    Yes, he did but as you pointed out he gave up his share of interceptions or perhaps more. Luck has a low completion percentage but he is getting to chuck it 50 times per game.
    I guess you've been paying attention to how many easy passes have been dropped too?
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    Things started off good in week 1, but how many of those rushing yards were by RG3 (or because of RG3) running the GD MOTHER EFFING tripple option.

    I think its fair to say the NFL has figured out our tripple option attack.....and it does not help we literally are running out of running backs.

    When everyone is healthy I guess we have a decent O-line. However, that never happens, and RG3 was sacked...what.....4000 times last week.

    I will give you our offense has finally showed up this year, but I still think our O-line has huge holes in it, and that is when everyone is healthy (which never happens in the NFL)
    I watched the game last week, and Griffin's sacks were because the Bengals blitzed and Griffin didn't get it out to the hot receiver. Also like I said earlier, since they cut the field in half, sometimes it's harder to protect the QB bc the defend knows they only need to cover one side of the field.

    No your o line isn't perfect, but I'll trade you the Colts line in a second!! Honestly there are prob 5 teams with a great line from left to right. Every team has holes.

    RgIII averages like 65 yards a game on be ground, that's still over 120 yards for the back! That's good man. Take it from fans that get excited about a 5 yard gain, your run game is great.

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    Luck has the better Total QBR. One of the best in the league.

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    I think its fair to say the NFL has figured out our tripple option attack.....and it does not help we literally are running out of running backs.
    Theisman said today that he foresees NFL teams just targeting RG3 even if he gives up the ball. Keep hitting him to knock him out of the game which makes sense.

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