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  • Re: 2012 Notre Dame Football Thread

    What's way more amazing than Manti's stupidity or gullibility is all the time and effort spent to just be able to laugh with your buds about duping a guy.

    Really?

    After an hour on the phone wouldn't you just stop and say "Hey you stupid dumb jock, let's get real here!" unless the chick on the phone was being well-paid, and how sick is the guy paying her, if that's the case?

    It's just some bizarre behavior at work, unless they imagined there was a way to get a book deal out of this or something. Still, there has to be easier scams.
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    • Re: 2012 Notre Dame Football Thread

      125 total days

      3,000 total hours in the 125 days

      500 hours / 3,000 hours = 16.67% of your time on the phone...

      If you remove 8 hours per day for sleeping/rest, there are 2,000 hours of available time in those 125 days.

      500 hours / 2,000 hours = 25%


      Manti Te'o spent between 16.67% and 25% of his life on the phone to a fake girlfriend/imposter...

      Wonder how many total texts they shared?

      I'm sorry, but this guy is stupid.

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      • Re: 2012 Notre Dame Football Thread

        from Indiana Rivals site (Peegs), a post supposedly copied from the ND Rivals site.

        interesting read...

        ---
        I'm Mormon and grew up in Utah where there is a huge Polynesian population.
        I think some potential explanations to this story require a little
        understanding of the LDS religion and Polynesian culture.

        First, LDS culture places a huge emphasis on marriage. It's antiquated but
        they place a huge emphasis on marrying within the religion. THis creates a
        lot of negative pushback from outside people that I can definitely see and
        understand. However one of the central tenets of the religion is a type of
        "eternal" marriage that requires two people of the faith to be "worthy"
        (i.e., abstain from sex) and commit to marriage in a service in an LDS temple.
        As you can imagine there are nearly zero LDS girls around South Bend.
        It's easy to see why Manti would develop a long-distance relationship w/ an
        LDS girl with an eye towards the future and not so much the present.

        Marriage is kind of the end all goal for many LDS college kids. It's heavily
        stressed and emphasized (for better or worse).

        This is all speculation. But, I can very, very easily believe that if Manti
        thought he "met" a perfect girl: LDS, Polynesian, kind, very smart
        (Stanford degree), attractive, athletic (volleyball). It is not completely
        unrealistic to think that he would latch onto that. Not so much for the
        relationship now, but angling for the potential for a serious relationship in
        the future. If he had this "perfect" girl that he emotionally bonded with
        over hours of phone conversations than it's not unreasonable IMO for
        him to think he had a perfect girl waiting for him once their situations
        allowed for it.

        Second, there is no question from my experience that polynesians typically
        marry polynesians. The uniqueness of the Polynesian culture and it's emphasis
        on family, style of life, religion, sports (football) is why they are such a
        tight knit group. There is a joke that every Polynesian is "cousins" with each other.
        They are just a really family oriented culture. Again, few/no polynesian girls live
        near South Bend. Again speculating, but maybe Manti found this perfect Polynesian
        girl in his mind and someonewhere the relationship in the future was worth the
        less than ideal relationship in the present, something worth waiting for.

        Third, the LDS religion is strict on abstaining from physical relations.
        Although unfathomable for most college-age kids a significant portion of LDS
        kids dont' have sex (as well as almost anything up to having sex). This can
        make it more plausable for a LDS kid to develop a non-physical/sexual relationship,
        and to a certain extent a long-distance relationship is ideal (not there = no sex).

        Again, there are no LDS girls near South Bend. Manti "meets" a
        perfect girl that is of his religion and of his culture. His culture and religion
        are entirely based on family in a big-picture sense ("eternal" marriage).
        Manti has the whole world as his future. He has this perfect girl (smart,
        athletic, beautiful, supportive, LDS, Polynesian) that he can spend it with.
        Maybe that's enough to make someone a little illogical with some of the
        other things that might not have added up in his mind (like her not being
        able to meet for this reason or that).

        The guy who set this up is Polynesian and would have known all of this
        too, and exploited it. His victim was perfect.

        IMO, Manti is nothing but class and did nothing to deserve this. Whatever
        mistakes he might have made at the end where done by a national figure about
        to play in the biggest game of his life after having his world turned upside
        down by one of the most freakish phone calls you could get. That is a hard
        situation to face.
        Last edited by Slick Pinkham; 01-23-2013, 10:56 PM.
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        • Re: 2012 Notre Dame Football Thread

          I'd buy some of that, but with the emphasis on family, religion, marriage, morality, etc., I would expect him to visit the injured girlfriend in the hospital or the dying girlfriend in the hospital or even attend his loved one's funeral.

          That part is the issue to me.

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          • Re: 2012 Notre Dame Football Thread

            Originally posted by Slick Pinkham View Post
            phone records:

            http://espn.go.com/college-football/...t-tv-interview



            1,000 calls for 500 hours??

            That is some colossal determination to pull off a prank...

            This is what I don't get. The scam was pulled by a guy, but he could find a woman equally dedicated to the scam that she spends 100s of hours on the phone? How does that make any sense at all? Who is the woman? Why did she do this?
            You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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            • Re: 2012 Notre Dame Football Thread

              some of that phone time was Te'o talking to nobody at all, the story goes (he thought it was his unconscious GF and that his voice soothed her).

              Some other person had to answer the call each time though, obviously
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              • Re: 2012 Notre Dame Football Thread

                Originally posted by Stryder View Post
                I'd buy some of that, but with the emphasis on family, religion, marriage, morality, etc., I would expect him to visit the injured girlfriend in the hospital or the dying girlfriend in the hospital or even attend his loved one's funeral.

                That part is the issue to me.
                JEREMY SCHAAP: You said it occurred to you never to go see her. Is that because you never saw her, at that time? It never occurred to go see her?

                MANTI TE'O: I was in school. I was in the middle of finals. I was going home. And I was going to try … . So the flight home was from Chicago to San Diego; we had a long layover in San Diego. We planned she was going to come pick me and my best friend Robby in San Diego, cruise around. She had to back off. We had a flight from San Diego to L.A. and L.A. to home [Hawaii]. So that was the plan. I wasn't going to go see her. She was going to come see me in San Diego and then the accident happened.

                JEREMY SCHAAP: When do you hear that she's out of the coma. Where do you think she is, physically?

                MANTI TE'O: In some hospital in L.A. It's kind of weird to think about it now. I was actually on the phone when she actually got out of the coma. She was breathing as normal as I'm talking to a person breathing. On that phone call, all she utters is "Manti." I'm back at home at the time for summer break. And she utters "Manti." So I'm sitting there … like, by the way, hello, And she says "Manti, Manti" in a faint voice. That's when she wakes up. It happened about two, three, four days after I got home (in mid-May).

                http://espn.go.com/college-football/...-jeremy-schaap

                JEREMY SCHAAP: Why didn't you go to Lennay's funeral?

                MANTI TE'O: Because Lennay's funeral was the same day of the Michigan game. And because, before Lennay passed away, we had a conversation where she asked me if she passed away, if I could go to her funeral? I told her no, I'm not going to talk like that. I'm not going to talk like that. She said, "Tell me this, if anything happens, promise me that you'll send me white roses and say you'll play." She said, "All I want is white roses." And leading up to the funeral, her siblings kept telling me that their mom told them she didn't want me to come. They didn't want -- and I didn't want myself -- I didn't want that to be the first time that I saw her was lying in a coffin. That's why I didn't go.
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                • Re: 2012 Notre Dame Football Thread

                  I'm sorry. This guy seems to have a litany of excuses. I get some strange feelings from anyone who has an exhorbitant amount of excuses for behavior. Maybe he really is just the dumbest guy on the planet Earth?

                  Anyhow, I don't really care about this. I just find it hilarious.

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                  • Re: 2012 Notre Dame Football Thread

                    NY Daily News says the voice on the phone was Tuiasosopo

                    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/co...icle-1.1246480

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                    • Re: 2012 Notre Dame Football Thread

                      Originally posted by Slick Pinkham View Post
                      MANTI TE'O: Because Lennay's funeral was the same day of the Michigan game. And because, before Lennay passed away, we had a conversation where she asked me if she passed away, if I could go to her funeral? I told her no, I'm not going to talk like that. I'm not going to talk like that. She said, "Tell me this, if anything happens, promise me that you'll send me white roses and say you'll play." She said, "All I want is white roses." And leading up to the funeral, her siblings kept telling me that their mom told them she didn't want me to come. They didn't want -- and I didn't want myself -- I didn't want that to be the first time that I saw her was lying in a coffin. That's why I didn't go.
                      The Michigan game was on September 22. Te'o's girlfriend allegedly died on September 12. Who holds a funeral ten days after someone dies? Not saying it's impossible to believe, but it seems very unlikely. That would raise a giant red flag to most people. Or did he mean the Michigan State game? That was on September 15, three days after the alleged death which would be a more believable time for the funeral. But he said Michigan, not Michigan State. It seems like he'd know the difference.

                      Also, are we really supposed to believe that it never occurred to Te'o to take two seconds of his time to google her obituary? That's one of the first things that most people would do.

                      We know at this point that he is a liar. We also know that he is pretty stupid. The question is, how much of this story is him being a liar and how much of it is him being stupid?

                      I agree with Stryder. He has a litany of excuses which are akin to "my dog ate it".
                      Last edited by Sollozzo; 01-24-2013, 09:03 AM.

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                      • Re: 2012 Notre Dame Football Thread

                        The South Bend newspaper reported the same odd timeframe last fall:

                        Te'o was not able to attend the services for his girlfriend, Lennay Kekua, in California. She died unexpectedly and suddenly after battling leukemia. Her funeral took place on Sept. 22, the morning of the ND-Michigan game.

                        http://articles.southbendtribune.com...youth-football
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                        • Re: 2012 Notre Dame Football Thread

                          10 days is a long *** time to not be able to visit your dead girlfriend. Class or not.

                          Is it possible that Manti could be a little mentally disabled?


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                          • Re: 2012 Notre Dame Football Thread

                            Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                            10 days is a long *** time to not be able to visit your dead girlfriend. Class or not.

                            Is it possible that Manti could be a little mentally disabled?
                            Also, if her funeral was on Saturday the 22nd, then wouldn't that logically mean that the funeral visitation would have been on the 21st? Why make no effort to go to that? Why make no effort to visit the family in that 10 day span?

                            Like I said, we know he is a liar. We know he is stupid. The only question is what percentage does each make up in the pie chart?

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                            • Re: 2012 Notre Dame Football Thread

                              Wow, you guys are so certain and sure of yourselves. One would think you have multiple experiences of having lost someone from a strong but long-distance relationship while doing something else vitally important and having been told what your relationship partner's wishes are.

                              One would also think you are completely aware of what all funeral practices are everywhere in the country, and that there is some absolute about having a funeral within 3-5 days.

                              Also that it would be nothing for a guy preparing for a major game to fly across country for a visitation and then fly back in time for his game the next day.

                              Based on all of this, he is "stupid" and a "liar".

                              I really hope you are actually as smart and savvy as you believe yourselves to be, and that someday you don't find yourselves caught up in a scam that people around you find hard to believe you fell for.

                              Given my experience with people being scammed, with human nature after having been scammed, and with far too many close family and friends having died both suddenly and of long-term illnesses, the story as currently stated - that he was duped and then once he found out kept up the story for some time due to the pressure and embarrassment - is entirely plausible. Mainly because I have personal acquaintances I can DEFINITELY see falling for something like this and reacting the same way.

                              That doesn't mean it is TRUE, of course, but to dismiss it as impossible because it could never happen to anyone is naive.
                              BillS

                              A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                              Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                              • Re: 2012 Notre Dame Football Thread

                                Originally posted by BillS View Post

                                Based on all of this, he is "stupid" and a "liar".
                                He has already admitted that he is a liar. Him being a liar is not a matter of opinion. The question is how big of a liar is he?

                                Notre Dame star linebacker Manti Te'o has again admitted to lying, marking at least the second time he has acknowledged knowingly spreading falsities in the saga of his fake dead girlfriend.

                                In an interview with ABC News' Katie Couric, set to air on her syndicated show Thursday, the Heisman Trophy runner-up says he fibbed to the media -- albeit briefly -- after learning that the death of supposed girlfriend Lennay Kekua was a hoax.


                                http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/23/us/teo...abc/index.html
                                Last edited by Sollozzo; 01-24-2013, 11:48 AM.

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