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Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

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  • #31
    Re: Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

    Originally posted by ChicagoJ View Post
    And as I've said for seven years, you win SBXL if Manning is willing to hand the ball off to James. Manning shut him down that day, not the Steelers defense. The Steelers defense only had to worry about Manning and on that day, the only thing keeping the score close was a blown call on Polamalu's interception. Neither of those teams were going to lose to Denver or Seattle.

    I don't believe for a moment that either Rhodes or Addai were near as effective as James. You didn't have to account for them defensively, they made their mark when defenses became one-dimensional nickel or dime packages. They didn't accomplish much against "base" defenses and you didn't see much "base" defense after James left. But with James there, you couldn't afford to play the dime against the Colts, and playing nickel all game long was risky.

    And that's when the decline began, even though Manning still milked a lot of regular season wins out of a flawed concept and roster.

    The Steelers aren't there yet, but Art Rooney III keeps saying, "we need to be able to successful at running the ball when we need to." And that's exactly what Denver did Sunday night - run successfully when they needed to or when we gave it to them - and it hurt us more than Manning's arm hurt us.
    The steelers jumped out to a 14-0 lead in the first and led 14-3 at halftime. It's hard to stick to the run when you're down in a playoff game, esp when the opposing team is running the ball and milking the clock. (The Steelers TOP was close to like 35 minutes. )

    Also, James wasn't exactly "lighting it up" he was averaging 4.3 ypc.

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    • #32
      Re: Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

      4.3 YPC ain't bad in the playoffs. But I agree about having to play from behind.


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      • #33
        Re: Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

        Keep in mind, I said, "Difficult to stay logical." People dont always think straight when it comes to sports. Explaining how Luck makes sense long term and the Colts don't have a very good team doesn't seem to work if Manning is tossing TDs in prime time. Lots of people in Indy seemed convinced Kravitz somehow had a role in getting Manning cut.

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        • #34
          Re: Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

          I'd like to remind it's only been 1 game, so all these Luck vs Manning comparisons are silly. Wait until later in the season, or more realistically, next season when both players have had time with their new teams.
          Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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          • #35
            Re: Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

            This is Indiana, our sports fans don't wait for anyone.
            Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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            • #36
              Re: Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

              People didn't immediately fall into a frenzy over Manning either. The circumstances were far different though, no question about that. Manning came to a Colts franchise that hadn't tasted success aside from the miracle 1995 run. But it did get to a point where people wondered if Manning was ever going to have what it took to take the next step. We actually had a game blacked out in 2003, which was Manning's 6th season (the year he won his first playoff game). That was the year where we lost to the Pats in the AFC Championship game. He had showed plenty of success before that, but we always flamed out in the playoffs and had gotten creamed 41-0 by the Jets the season before. People didn't start getting nuts about the Colts until the 03 playoff run. A decent chunk of Manning's career had already played out by then.

              If people don't want to wait around for Luck then that's their choice I guess. If he does start to have great successes a few years from now then they will eventually pay attention.

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              • #37
                Re: Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

                If we have a losing season, which is possible, we need a stud RB to boost the offense. Manning had James early in his career, who was the top RB in football. Imagine how much better Luck would be if he had Arian Foster.
                Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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                • #38
                  Re: Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

                  This Peyton thing is silly. Our team has enough deficiencies at this point, and with Manning's 30-something million on the payroll we'd have to cut quite a few more players than we already did to stay under the cap.

                  If Manning was here the team around him would be worse than what Luck is working with. U-G-L-Y.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

                    Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                    4.3 YPC ain't bad in the playoffs. But I agree about having to play from behind.
                    The Steelers were #1 that year in YPC defensively (#3 in total rushing yards defensively). 4.3 YPC was a good performance from the ground. 14 rushes in a playoff game? That's a recipe to lose, even if the game is played indoors. 38 passes and 14 rushes? That's some awful balance for a playoff game.
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                    Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
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                    • #40
                      Re: Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

                      Let's not forget in that 2005 loss to the Steelers, when the Colts got that miracle fumble recovery and had both a chance to tie the game OR win it, Manning wasted a few possessions going deep(and coming up empty) rather than trying to get Vandershank closer, let alone simply moving the chains and making a TD a little easier.

                      At that point in his career Manning was still a little more inclined to go with the hero play rather than the more simple play in the crunch.

                      Plus, Vandershank had already used up his late game FG mulligan against Tampa Bay. Don't forget, against TB Vandy MISSED the FG on that late game monster comeback of the Colts. But there was a penalty against TB that game Vandy another chance... and he made that one.
                      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

                        Originally posted by ChicagoJ View Post

                        I don't believe for a moment that either Rhodes or Addai were near as effective as James. You didn't have to account for them defensively, they made their mark when defenses became one-dimensional nickel or dime packages. They didn't accomplish much against "base" defenses and you didn't see much "base" defense after James left. But with James there, you couldn't afford to play the dime against the Colts, and playing nickel all game long was risky.
                        They obviously weren't as good as Edge, but they certainly got the job done in 2006. Moving on without Edge was a big worry going into 2006, but the Addai and Rhodes combo proved to be extremely effective for the Super Bowl season.

                        Addai in 06: 1081 yards, 7 TD, 4.8 YPC
                        Rhodes in 06: 641 yards, 5TD, 3.4 YPC

                        Addai became good enough that season that defenses at least had to give him respect. He was also very good for the first 2/3 or so of the 2007 season. So our run game was fine immediately after Edge left. The problem was Addai's best two seasons happened to be the first two seasons of his career. He never played any better than he did in those two seasons, and in fact, got worse. We were hoping that by year 4 or 5, he would be one of the better backs in the league. It never happened. From 08-10, the last three years of Manning's career here, the running game was certainly lacking.
                        Last edited by Sollozzo; 09-14-2012, 06:34 AM.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

                          Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                          They obviously weren't as good as Edge, but they certainly got the job done in 2006. Moving on without Edge was a big worry going into 2006, but the Addai and Rhodes combo proved to be extremely effective for the Super Bowl season.

                          Addai in 06: 1081 yards, 7 TD, 4.8 YPC
                          Rhodes in 06: 641 yards, 5TD, 3.4 YPC

                          Addai became good enough that season that defenses at least had to give him respect. He was also very good for the first 2/3 or so of the 2007 season. So our run game was fine immediately after Edge left. The problem was Addai's best two seasons happened to be the first two seasons of his career. He never played any better than he did in those two seasons, and in fact, got worse. We were hoping that by year 4 or 5, he would be one of the better backs in the league. It never happened. From 08-10, the last three years of Manning's career here, the running game was certainly lacking.

                          Edge made the offense high powered because he could run and catch the ball. Addai was good, but didn't tun the ball hard enough and Rhodes was more of a short field running back
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                          • #43
                            Re: Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

                            I always felt like Edge was carrying his load on offense, he was a true stud that had to be accounted for... whereas Addai got his yards/TDs because defenses were so keyed on Peyton and the passing game. It was sort of an afterthought/nuisance for opposing defenses --- "Stop Peyton, Stop Peyton, Stop Peyton --- oh dammit, we had 8 guys back in coverage and forgot about Addai and he rattled off a 15-yarder, and now we gotta stick a guy in run support for a play or two to keep them honest --- Stop Peyton Stop Peyton Stop Peyton".

                            He could never get those tough yards... all that dancing around and hesitating behind the line drove me nuts.
                            Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 09-14-2012, 09:56 AM.
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                            • #44
                              Re: Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

                              Originally posted by ChicagoJ View Post
                              The Steelers were #1 that year in YPC defensively (#3 in total rushing yards defensively). 4.3 YPC was a good performance from the ground. 14 rushes in a playoff game? That's a recipe to lose, even if the game is played indoors. 38 passes and 14 rushes? That's some awful balance for a playoff game.
                              We were LOSING the game. You don't keep trying to run the ball when you're losing. Of James' 13 carries, 8 were in the first half (IIRC) and we were DOWN the entire game. Yes I agree 100%, we needed to run the ball more. Hell the one year we did, we won the superbowl. But when you're playing the best defensive team against the run, AND you're down, you may need to start passing the ball if you want to score points.

                              Plus, it's not like we got blown out. We were a missed FG away from going into OT, so the comeback would have been complete had it not been for Vanderjagt's miss.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

                                Originally posted by Bball View Post
                                Let's not forget in that 2005 loss to the Steelers, when the Colts got that miracle fumble recovery and had both a chance to tie the game OR win it, Manning wasted a few possessions going deep(and coming up empty) rather than trying to get Vandershank closer, let alone simply moving the chains and making a TD a little easier.

                                At that point in his career Manning was still a little more inclined to go with the hero play rather than the more simple play in the crunch.

                                Plus, Vandershank had already used up his late game FG mulligan against Tampa Bay. Don't forget, against TB Vandy MISSED the FG on that late game monster comeback of the Colts. But there was a penalty against TB that game Vandy another chance... and he made that one.
                                Very good point there. Peyton had a tendency to try and go for the deep play, as opposed to hit a check down.

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