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    I'm starting this thread to have a place to discuss the Broncos and/or Manning this season. It seems to me that will be a topic that will overwhelm any other 'around the NFL' type threads.

    And on that note let me start by saying... Manning looked pretty good carving up the Steeler defense.
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    How weird is it having Peyton and Champ Bailey on the same team? Maybe the two best individual players on either side of the ball the past ten years. I know that topic of who is best offensive player or defensive player is up for debate, but this has to be the best combo.

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    How weird is it having Peyton and Champ Bailey on the same team? Maybe the two best individual players on either side of the ball the past ten years. I know that topic of who is best offensive player or defensive player is up for debate, but this has to be the best combo.

    It is also kind of weird having Manning and Tracy Porter on the same team.

    Good idea on the creation of the thread Bball.

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    Great Idea, hopefully come around February we are discussing Peyton winning a second ring and helping to settle the debate about who the best QB of his generation was.

    Actually heard somebody say that Eli was a better QB a few months ago.

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    If Manning can maintain his health he might as well win some more SB's while he's at it. Be a nice capper to a HoF career.
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    The Broncos are a legit contender with a healthy Manning.

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    He did look good but if Manning wins an SB or two with the Broncos it will be a bad case of deja vu

    And I'll be convinced that Andrew Luck late in his career will end up being tossed aside by the Colts and defect to the Broncos too..

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    He looked great running the no huddle. We were missing two of our better starters and without Harrison's knee we were unable to put any pressure on him, and with Troy playing further away from the line due to Clark's sickle-cell, we gave him a lot to work with and he easiliy identified our weaknesses in spite of efforts to disguise them and took advantage of it.

    I'll especially give him credit for this, he used the running game quite well when we gave it to him. We've given it (running lanes) to him before and he insisted on trying to beat us in the air. Not so on Sunday night.

    I'm still not sold on his arm yet, I didn't think his thows were as consistently crisp as we've seen from him (one or two exceptions, the off-foot throw to the sideline comes to mind) and he didn't need to attempt a single risky pass into tight coverage. The 71-yarder to Thomas was all on Thomas on the electrifying run after catch. That play changed the game in the third quarter. Manning found gaps to make plays that were not high risk. His brain had one of its best games ever against LeBeau.

    I think LeBeau might change to tighter coverage if he had a chance to do it again, but the handoffs from the nohuddle really caused us more problems than Denver's running game with Tebow gave us in January.

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    He looked great running the no huddle. We were missing two of our better starters and without Harrison's knee we were unable to put any pressure on him, and with Troy playing further away from the line due to Clark's sickle-cell, we gave him a lot to work with and he easiliy identified our weaknesses in spite of efforts to disguise them and took advantage of it.

    I'll especially give him credit for this, he used the running game quite well when we gave it to him. We've given it (running lanes) to him before and he insisted on trying to beat us in the air. Not so on Sunday night.

    I'm still not sold on his arm yet, I didn't think his thows were as consistently crisp as we've seen from him (one or two exceptions, the off-foot throw to the sideline comes to mind) and he didn't need to attempt a single risky pass into tight coverage. The 71-yarder to Thomas was all on Thomas on the electrifying run after catch. That play changed the game in the third quarter. Manning found gaps to make plays that were not high risk. His brain had one of its best games ever against LeBeau.

    I think LeBeau might change to tighter coverage if he had a chance to do it again, but the handoffs from the nohuddle really caused us more problems than Denver's running game with Tebow gave us in January.

    After the last two games, we've got the Broncos where we want them: off the schedule for a while!

    Solid analysis.

    As an outsider, do you think that the Colts did the right thing by releasing him?

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    Solid analysis.

    As an outsider, do you think that the Colts did the right thing by releasing him?

    Yes, for two reasons.

    One, I think a lot of LBs and DEs would love to put a really solid hit on him, and the type of injury he's recovering from scares me for someone playing tackle football. I know he found some doctors to clear him but along the way there others that wouldn't clear him.

    #2, outside of him, your talent level had fallen quite a bit since the mid-2000's. He might single-handedly get this current team to 7-9, 6-10, something like that, but as we've talked about regarding the Pacers, some times you're just better off getting that high draft pick than aim for 0.500 for a few seasons.

    If the rest of your roster looked like a SB contender, then you'd take your chances with Manning. But you were in need of a rebuild, and he needed to find a team that was just a QB away from contending. Denver was in the playoffs last year in spite of Tebow, it was and is the perfect situation for him. You've never heard me say, "just put a scrub in there at QB". You need somebody better than Tebow but on a well-balanced team.

    If Manning stays healthy, we might be looking at a Baltimore-Denver matchup come January.
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    Yes, for two reasons.

    One, I think a lot of LBs and DEs would love to put a really solid hit on him, and the type of injury he's recovering from scares me for someone playing tackle football. I know he found some doctors to clear him but along the way there others that wouldn't clear him.

    #2, outside of him, your talent level had fallen quite a bit since the mid-2000's. He might single-handedly get this current team to 7-9, 6-10, something like that, but as we've talked about regarding the Pacers, some times you're just better off getting that high draft pick than aim for 0.500 for a few seasons.

    If the rest of your roster looked like a SB contender, then you'd take your chances with Manning. But you were in need of a rebuild, and he needed to find a team that was just a QB away from contending. Denver was in the playoffs last year in spite of Tebow, it was and is the perfect situation for him. You've never heard me say, "just put a scrub in there at QB". You need somebody better than Tebow but on a well-balanced team.

    If Manning stays healthy, we might be looking at a Baltimore-Denver matchup come January.
    And this ad more to what I was saying, about why I like Irsay, he had a chance to stay in the middle for the next few years and instead decided to rebuild and let Peyton freaking Manning go, you need an owner with huge cojones to do something like that.
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    And this ad more to what I was saying, about why I like Polian, he had a chance to stay in the middle for the next few years and instead decided to rebuild and let Peyton freaking Manning go, you need an owner with huge cojones to do something like that.
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    I'll especially give him credit for this, he used the running game quite well when we gave it to him. We've given it (running lanes) to him before and he insisted on trying to beat us in the air. Not so on Sunday night.
    I would say that our running game has been pretty awful the last 5+ years and that there weren't really a lot of lanes available due to poor running back play and poor offensive line play. Peyton probably felt compelled to throw because that was the only way we could win. In Denver, he has a great offensive line with superior running back talent than we had here. I always felt that Peyton would have loved to have a proper running game, and when Edge was around, we played to better potential than we have since he left and Tarik retired.

    I can't wait to watch him play. My hope is that Peyton wins a couple SBs within the next few years, and then our Colts (+Luck) become good enough to win SBs after that. Would be the perfect scenario.
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    I would say that our running game has been pretty awful the last 5+ years and that there weren't really a lot of lanes available due to poor running back play and poor offensive line play. Peyton probably felt compelled to throw because that was the only way we could win. In Denver, he has a great offensive line with superior running back talent than we had here. I always felt that Peyton would have loved to have a proper running game, and when Edge was around, we played to better potential than we have since he left and Tarik retired.

    I can't wait to watch him play. My hope is that Peyton wins a couple SBs within the next few years, and then our Colts (+Luck) become good enough to win SBs after that. Would be the perfect scenario.

    If memory serves me right, the Addai/Rhodes combo in 2006 was EXTREMELY effective. That was the year after Edge left and we really didn't seem to miss a beat. Rhodes was huge throughout the post season, particularly in the Super Bowl, but we didn't re-sign him after that season. Addai was very effective in the first half of 2007, but he simply never became as good as many were hoping. That's not to say he wasn't good, because he was. But I think we were all hoping for a bit more. In Manning's last three seasons, 08-10, the running game was pretty lacking.
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    If memory serves me right, the Addai/Rhodes combo in 2006 was EXTREMELY effective. That was the year after Edge left and we really didn't seem to miss a bit. Rhodes was huge throughout the post season, particularly in the Super Bowl, but we didn't re-sign him after that season. Addai was very effective in the first half of 2007, but he simply never became as good as many were hoping. That's not to say he wasn't good, because he was. But I think we were all hoping for a bit more. In Manning's last three seasons, 08-10, the running game was pretty lacking.

    I agree with that. But I don't think the Addai/Rhodes combo was great until the playoffs started. Addai did a serviceable job but wasn't a scary running threat.
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    If memory serves me right, the Addai/Rhodes combo in 2006 was EXTREMELY effective. That was the year after Edge left and we really didn't seem to miss a bit. Rhodes was huge throughout the post season, particularly in the Super Bowl, but we didn't re-sign him after that season. Addai was very effective in the first half of 2007, but he simply never became as good as many were hoping. That's not to say he wasn't good, because he was. But I think we were all hoping for a bit more. In Manning's last three seasons, 08-10, the running game was pretty lacking.

    You could make a decent argument that Rhodes should've had a SB MVP. But really, there was no chance anyone other than Manning was winning the SB MVP as long as the team won....

    Still Rhodes had a great SB.
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    I would say that our running game has been pretty awful the last 5+ years and that there weren't really a lot of lanes available due to poor running back play and poor offensive line play. Peyton probably felt compelled to throw because that was the only way we could win. In Denver, he has a great offensive line with superior running back talent than we had here. I always felt that Peyton would have loved to have a proper running game, and when Edge was around, we played to better potential than we have since he left and Tarik retired.

    I can't wait to watch him play. My hope is that Peyton wins a couple SBs within the next few years, and then our Colts (+Luck) become good enough to win SBs after that. Would be the perfect scenario.
    And as I've said for seven years, you win SBXL if Manning is willing to hand the ball off to James. Manning shut him down that day, not the Steelers defense. The Steelers defense only had to worry about Manning and on that day, the only thing keeping the score close was a blown call on Polamalu's interception. Neither of those teams were going to lose to Denver or Seattle.

    I don't believe for a moment that either Rhodes or Addai were near as effective as James. You didn't have to account for them defensively, they made their mark when defenses became one-dimensional nickel or dime packages. They didn't accomplish much against "base" defenses and you didn't see much "base" defense after James left. But with James there, you couldn't afford to play the dime against the Colts, and playing nickel all game long was risky.

    And that's when the decline began, even though Manning still milked a lot of regular season wins out of a flawed concept and roster.

    The Steelers aren't there yet, but Art Rooney III keeps saying, "we need to be able to successful at running the ball when we need to." And that's exactly what Denver did Sunday night - run successfully when they needed to or when we gave it to them - and it hurt us more than Manning's arm hurt us.
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    And as I've said for seven years, you win SBXL if Manning is willing to hand the ball off to James. Manning shut him down that day, not the Steelers defense. The Steelers defense only had to worry about Manning and on that day, the only thing keeping the score close was a blown call on Polamalu's interception. Neither of those teams were going to lose to Denver or Seattle.

    I don't believe for a moment that either Rhodes or Addai were near as effective as James. You didn't have to account for them defensively, they made their mark when defenses became one-dimensional nickel or dime packages. They didn't accomplish much against "base" defenses and you didn't see much "base" defense after James left. But with James there, you couldn't afford to play the dime against the Colts, and playing nickel all game long was risky.

    And that's when the decline began, even though Manning still milked a lot of regular season wins out of a flawed concept and roster.

    The Steelers aren't there yet, but Art Rooney III keeps saying, "we need to be able to successful at running the ball when we need to." And that's exactly what Denver did Sunday night - run successfully when they needed to or when we gave it to them - and it hurt us more than Manning's arm hurt us.
    The steelers jumped out to a 14-0 lead in the first and led 14-3 at halftime. It's hard to stick to the run when you're down in a playoff game, esp when the opposing team is running the ball and milking the clock. (The Steelers TOP was close to like 35 minutes. )

    Also, James wasn't exactly "lighting it up" he was averaging 4.3 ypc.

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    I don't believe for a moment that either Rhodes or Addai were near as effective as James. You didn't have to account for them defensively, they made their mark when defenses became one-dimensional nickel or dime packages. They didn't accomplish much against "base" defenses and you didn't see much "base" defense after James left. But with James there, you couldn't afford to play the dime against the Colts, and playing nickel all game long was risky.
    They obviously weren't as good as Edge, but they certainly got the job done in 2006. Moving on without Edge was a big worry going into 2006, but the Addai and Rhodes combo proved to be extremely effective for the Super Bowl season.

    Addai in 06: 1081 yards, 7 TD, 4.8 YPC
    Rhodes in 06: 641 yards, 5TD, 3.4 YPC

    Addai became good enough that season that defenses at least had to give him respect. He was also very good for the first 2/3 or so of the 2007 season. So our run game was fine immediately after Edge left. The problem was Addai's best two seasons happened to be the first two seasons of his career. He never played any better than he did in those two seasons, and in fact, got worse. We were hoping that by year 4 or 5, he would be one of the better backs in the league. It never happened. From 08-10, the last three years of Manning's career here, the running game was certainly lacking.
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    They obviously weren't as good as Edge, but they certainly got the job done in 2006. Moving on without Edge was a big worry going into 2006, but the Addai and Rhodes combo proved to be extremely effective for the Super Bowl season.

    Addai in 06: 1081 yards, 7 TD, 4.8 YPC
    Rhodes in 06: 641 yards, 5TD, 3.4 YPC

    Addai became good enough that season that defenses at least had to give him respect. He was also very good for the first 2/3 or so of the 2007 season. So our run game was fine immediately after Edge left. The problem was Addai's best two seasons happened to be the first two seasons of his career. He never played any better than he did in those two seasons, and in fact, got worse. We were hoping that by year 4 or 5, he would be one of the better backs in the league. It never happened. From 08-10, the last three years of Manning's career here, the running game was certainly lacking.

    Edge made the offense high powered because he could run and catch the ball. Addai was good, but didn't tun the ball hard enough and Rhodes was more of a short field running back
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    Just to hard right now to talk Peyton!
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    If Tebow looked decent on that team I expect Peyton to look amazing, good decision by him in signing with them instead of Miami.

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    I did find it interesting that NBC reported that his rehab was ongoing.
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    I did find it interesting that NBC reported that his rehab was ongoing.
    That's not surprising even he said he's not where he wants to be(whatever that means) fortunately for him on the Broncos he doesn't need to do as much compared to here since he does have a run game and an above average D.

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