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    Default Ultimate Standings: Indiana Pacers #4

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    Bang For The Buck (BNG): Wins during the past three years (regular season plus postseason) per revenues directly from fans, adjusted for league schedules.

    Fan Relations (FRL): Openness and consideration toward fans by players, coaches and management.

    Ownership (OWN): Honesty and loyalty to core players and local community.

    Affordability (AFF): Price of tickets, parking and concessions.

    Stadium Experience (STX): Quality of arena and game-day promotions as well as friendliness of environment.

    Players (PLA): Effort on the field and likability off it.

    Coaching (CCH): Strength of on-field leadership.

    Title Track (TTR): Championships already won or expected in the lifetime of current fans.
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    By Max Klinger | ESPN The Magazine

    Last year's rank: 48
    Title track: 66
    Ownership: 18
    Coaching: 25
    Players: 16
    Fan relations: 20
    Affordability: 3
    Stadium experience: 15
    Bang for the buck: 3

    The lockout meant a lot of things to a lot of people, but for the Pacers the resulting collective bargaining agreement was the reaffirmation of a specific management philosophy. In light of the CBA changes, the Pacers' brand of small ball suddenly seemed less like a toss of the dice and more like the strategy of the future for small-market clubs. It's a simple strategy but not easily duplicated: precise draft picks (Granger, Hibbert, George), prudent trades (Barbosa) and prescient free agent signings (West). That's how the Pacers created the kind of chemistry that took them to the Eastern Conference semifinals (their first since 2005) with the third-lowest payroll in the league. With a smaller front office and less money, they simply can't afford the toe-tapping free agent games that other big-market teams can, and what has resulted is a finely calibrated personnel strategy. The Pacers could be the Eastern Conference version of the Thunder, only leaner, cheaper and more efficient (the Thunder have the 14th-lowest payroll; the Pacers have the 28th). And this homespun management style has caught on well with the plainspoken basketball fans of Indiana. It helps that the Pacers were voted the most affordable team in the NBA. It also means that categories like ownership, coaching and players received 40-plus point boosts in our poll. With the new CBA set to start showing its teeth in the years to come, the Pacers are set up to be the franchise of the future.

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    Default Re: Ultimate Standings: Indiana Pacers #4

    Wow, interesting.
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    Remember when people were balking about Hibbert getting that 58 MIL? We don't make top 20 in Fan Relations and Players without him. Press like this is only going to be good news for the team, and Roy is a big part of this.

    Like a lot of people have said, when you factor in what Roy does off the court combined with his on court work, he is well worth the money.
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    Roy has the potential to be the best center in the league. Paul George has the potential to be the best guard in the league. Pacers are a rising franchise and they are going to be contenders in the East for a while just like the Reggie teams of the 90s and early 2000s
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    Yeah, but where's our superstar?

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    Default Re: Ultimate Standings: Indiana Pacers #4

    I saw this a few minutes ago and couldn't believe ESPN would have us in the top 5 of anything! Way to go Pacers!

    edit: Man what a tumble the Colts have taken @ #57. Ouch
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    My 2 sports loves in the top 4. Good day, indeed
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    My 2 sports loves in the top 4. Good day, indeed
    Your Angels are at 15. Not too shabby as well.

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    Default Re: Ultimate Standings: Indiana Pacers #4

    They have Lucas Oil ranked higher than Conseco? Lucas is nice, but Conseco is something else.

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    Default Pacers ranked #4 in ESPN's Ultime Standings

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    Default Re: Pacers ranked #4 in ESPN's Ultime Standings

    We are miles off OKC do we have a superstar no heck we dont even have a single player that is as good as Harden or Westbrook

    not even the same area code
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    We are miles off OKC do we have a superstar no heck we dont even have a single player that is as good as Harden or Westbrook

    not even the same area code
    Yeah I stopped reading at "the Pacers are the OKC of the east" part.
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    Yeah I stopped reading at "the Pacers are the OKC of the east" part.
    If you stopped there you almost read the whole thing. . And it did say "The Pacers could be the Eastern Conference version of the Thunder, only leaner, cheaper and more efficient" which to me seems to be in the way we are running things, though I do think it is a stretch as well considering talent. I would compare us more to Memphis.

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    If you stopped there you almost read the whole thing. . And it did say "The Pacers could be the Eastern Conference version of the Thunder, only leaner, cheaper and more efficient" which to me seems to be in the way we are running things, though I do think it is a stretch as well considering talent. I would compare us more to Memphis.
    Does efficient mean from a fiscal standpoint? Then the efficiency is what is keeping us from being elite.

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    If you stopped there you almost read the whole thing. . And it did say "The Pacers could be the Eastern Conference version of the Thunder, only leaner, cheaper and more efficient" which to me seems to be in the way we are running things, though I do think it is a stretch as well considering talent. I would compare us more to Memphis.
    Yes I almost finish reading the whole thing until I got to that part and then I was looking to see if this was some article from thebleacherreport people.

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    More "proof" that there's no excuse to not sell freaking tickets. It's not the franchise. The team's good. Bunch of milkdrinkers. Exciting dunkers. Tickets are dirt cheap. The Colts suck. Sweet new scoreboard. Outstanding building. Whatever excuse people want to make, it's not true anymore.

    We'll see how much this state "loves" good basketball.

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    More "proof" that there's no excuse to not sell freaking tickets. It's not the franchise. The team's good. Bunch of milkdrinkers. Exciting dunkers. Tickets are dirt cheap. The Colts suck. Sweet new scoreboard. Outstanding building. Whatever excuse people want to make, it's not true anymore.

    We'll see how much this state "loves" good basketball.
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    And please realize this is a huge jump from previous years, it isn't like we've sat at this level for a while. It took a few years for the fans to walk, it will take some time to get them back.
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    I get the magazine at home and didn't even see us listed at 4 until I went all the way through the list and then back to the top. Just wasn't expecting us to be so high.

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    I agree what we need is somebody to develop into a star. Possibly George. That way we can get some BS calls to help us out. If Hibbert and George both achieve what we know they can achieve. I would say we are the best team in the East if one of the Big 3 is severely hobbled. Lakers on the other hand, who knows they could be amazing or flop this year

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    I mean Reggie is a hall of famer now so it's kind of tough to make the whole "90's Pacers didn't have a superstar" comment, I totally get where you're coming from and agree with you, but I think it's tough not to call Reggie a star.

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    I mean Reggie is a hall of famer now so it's kind of tough to make the whole "90's Pacers didn't have a superstar" comment, I totally get where you're coming from and agree with you, but I think it's tough not to call Reggie a star.
    Reggie was a star, certainly, but was he a superstar in any given year? He was great at what he did, he was one of the all time greats in terms of efficiency, but he wasn't the prototypical model of a superstar, in the mold of a Lebron James, Kobe Bryant etc... one that effected the game on both ends greatly, and could just bury you every single night. Reggie was a star, but I don't think that he was a superstar in the mold that vnzla is referring. Reggie is my all time favorite player, but he was a superstar at one thing only, scoring the ball efficiently, most players that have that rank are either guys that can score dominately in isolation and off the dribble, and players that effect the game on both ends at an elite level/ across multiple domains.

    Reggie wasn't that, he was amazing, but he was never that, but i'm assuming VN is referring to guys like LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Prime Kobe, Shaq, Bird vein. Reggie was a star player, he'd be our best player, but we have "star players" (guys capable of making an All-Star team) in David West, Granger, and Hibbert, and hopefully before too long, Paul George.

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    Kendrick Perkins is going to be 28, is about to have his 10th year in the league, and already started to show signs of tailing off last year. I don't think I can consider him a very good young player. But yes OKC is significantly better than we are. Of course the 2004-2005 Pacers were significantly better than heck maybe the entire league, but we saw how that went down.

    The point? Anything can happen. And I do think we can all agree the Pacers aren't in some bleak desert of doom right now.
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