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    I remember Young getting hurt at his workout here at draft time. If I remember it right he said the pole went into his arm and he was literally hanging there from it.

    edit: he got hurt the day before up in Toronto

    He twisted his body as he leapt, and a screw on the vertical-leap pole pierced his arm. Rather than risk tearing any muscle, the Raptors personnel removed the screw from the pole, left it in Young’s arm and took him to the hospital to have it dislodged.
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    Default Re: Pacers sign Young, Gaines, Ahearn.

    That's a pretty impressive haul for training camp contracts. If I remember correctly, Ahearn was given a small amount of guaranteed money (http://hoopshype.com/articles/sierra...n-blake-ahearn), so that probably gives him an edge to making the roster. And Young started on that Memphis team two years ago who beat the Spurs and took the Thunder to 7 games.

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    Adding Blake Ahearn and Sam Young will make our team look so much older than it is.

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    Default Re: Pacers sign Young, Gaines, Ahearn.

    Sam Young is as good a wing defender as Dahntay Jones, I hope he makes the team.

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    ugh, still thin on the front line! Why do we need all these guards? We only have 3 bigs, need a 4th.
    Pendergraph is still on our team.

    Besides, we had Fesenko last year but Vogel never used him. My guess is that he thinks that our front line is fine.

    Frankly, with Ian and Miles backing up Roy, I'd say that we're ok.

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    I like it.

    First of all, why NOT?!

    But secondly, with Gaines, I do remember seeing him have a few really solid performances in the past.
    I would not at all be opposed to him being a 12th+ man on the Pacers.
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    So to be clear, does anybody know if these are just camp signings or we actually signed them? I like them all to be honest. Gaines could replace A.J. and be a good defender, I feel like Sam Young has to have actually been signed to the team because he is the best out of the 3 by far and would replace what Dahntay did, and it doesn't hurt to have a shooting specialist on your bench in Ahearn.

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    So to be clear, does anybody know if these are just camp signings or we actually signed them? I like them all to be honest. Gaines could replace A.J. and be a good defender, I feel like Sam Young has to have actually been signed to the team because he is the best out of the 3 by far and would replace what Dahntay did, and it doesn't hurt to have a shooting specialist on your bench in Ahearn.
    Dont think there is a enough roster spots for them all.

    we have 13 people under deals now and can only add 2 more i think unless rules have changed

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    Dont think there is a enough roster spots for them all.

    we have 13 people under deals now and can only add 2 more i think unless rules have changed
    Yeah, I haven't looked in awhile, but I thought we had around 13 people. I wouldn't mind having Sam Young at all tho.

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    Default Re: Pacers sign Young, Gaines, Ahearn.

    Dominic McGuire is a free agent we should of signed him a month ago. I like him much better than Young.

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    I will say that Sam Young will probably make this team with no problems. He is a lock down defender with playoff experience. He is the new Dante Jones.
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    Default Re: Pacers sign Young, Gaines, Ahearn.

    I would hope he is better than that.

    Dahntay's reputation as a defender took a big hit for me while he was with the Pacers. Even with the truly defensive minded Vogel in charge, Dahntay didn't get much burn. I suspect that was because of both his black hole style of offense, as well as his primary defensive tactics being grabbing jerseys, pushing lower backs with his off hand, and generally taking chances that frequently failed, all while getting called for a higher number of fouls than others might due to his reputation with the officials of being Bruce Bowen lite.

    If Sam Young moves his feet and has the quickness to stay in front of his man, which he likely does, and can do so without the contact, he is already a better defender than Dahntay in my opinion.

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    Maybe Im remembering incorrectly (very likely), but I thought I heard teams could now carry 16...

    Someone please enlighten me.
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    Did we sign Orlando Johnson yet?

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    Maybe Im remembering incorrectly (very likely), but I thought I heard teams could now carry 16...

    Someone please enlighten me.
    I'm almost 100% sure that that is not true.
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    Did we sign Orlando Johnson yet?
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    Default Re: Pacers sign Young, Gaines, Ahearn.

    I may be wrong, but as a second year player I think Young actually got a starter's job with a pretty good Memphis team for a bit. Really interesting pickup. He would seem to be smart insurance if Lance were to struggle.

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    I may be wrong, but as a second year player I think Young actually got a starter's job with a pretty good Memphis team for a bit. Really interesting pickup. He would seem to be smart insurance if Lance were to struggle.
    He did, but by default. Rudy Gay went down so he had to play. He didn't necessarily "earn" it. But he did well in his role. Pretty sure the reason he got dumped by Memphis was a money move, they were just a bit over the tax threshold so just dumped him and maybe another guy or two to get under it.

    Guy's an NBA player, when he was on the trading block I wanted us to take him for free (read: 2025 2nd rounder or whatever). The only way I think he doesn't make the roster is if he's not healthy. DJ, Green, Lance, and Young is a pretty deep bench front 3 rotation with some promise. It ain't gonna happen but if they went and signed Kenyon Martin I'd be pretty pumped.

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    It ain't gonna happen but if they went and signed Kenyon Martin I'd be pretty pumped.
    He's a guy I keep coming back too. I wish I knew more about him. Not as a player, but as part of a team and off the court. I think he's still a very very good tough, physical player that other guys don't mess with, under almost any circumstance. I don't know if this comes from his physical prescence, on the court, or his persona off the court. I'm finding it hard to articulate it.... I don't want a guy that his own teammates are scared of him, if that makes any sense. I do, want a player, who the other teams won't mess with.

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    Adding Blake Ahearn and Sam Young will make our team look so much older than it is.
    In street clothes, everybody will think a couple of our players wanted their daddies sitting close to them.

    If they fill in all 15 spots, I would put my money on those two.

    They might bring in another big body for camp, but it is very unlikely he will make the cut, unless he can play the 3.
    I count 4 players who can play the 5, 6 players the 4, only 3 the 3, 5 the 2 and also only 3 the 1.
    A veteran PG and a strong SF is where I think our biggest deep bench gaps situate.

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    Ugh, Gaines is awful. I followed the Nets last year, there isn't a single fan from that side that would have anything positive to say about Sundiata. He tries to do way too much.

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    who?
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    who?

    So is Fesenko not even on the camp roster? It seemed like he could contribute.
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    So is Fesenko not even on the camp roster? It seemed like he could contribute.
    he was more of just being on the team if Roy, Tyler, or Lou go injured.
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    Default Re: Pacers sign Young, Gaines, Ahearn.

    Point guards (2) - George Hill, DJ Augustine
    Wings (5) - Paul George, Danny Granger, Gerald Greene, Lance Stephenson, Orlando Johnson
    Bigs (5) - David West, Roy Hibbert, Ian Mahimni, Tyler Hansbrough, Plumlee

    That is 12 guys who will be on the roster, unless there's a trade.

    Too much depends on Lance Stephenson with this scenario, not that he can't do it, its just not proven.

    So, that leaves these guys trying to fill the last spots.

    Jeff Pendergraph, Sam Young, Sundiata Gaines, and Ahearn.

    You have to have a 3rd point guard, that is either Gaines or Ahearn. So that is one of the spots, imo. This puts you at 13.

    If Lance isn't ready and Orlando Johnson is a rookie, you need another wing. I think thats Sam Young, imo, you could do alot worse. This puts you at 14.

    You should try to have 6 bigs, just for injuries. You can look at the break down between Centers and PFs on the existing team and you have enough guys who supposedly can play either position, at times. Roy, Mahinmi, Plumlee at center. D West, Hansbrough, and Mahinmi at PF. So you are okay there. I think they keep Pendergraph too, though, just to have enough bodies. Also, they love Pendergraph in the lockeroom and how hard he works, so that helps him. (I'm skeptical of this, since he looked okay to bad in summer league, but still). That is 15.

    I think they'd rather not carry 15 and keep only 14 to keep flexibility if they want to make a move going forward. However, with the structure of the team I think they keep all 15 and the only decision is between Gaines and Ahearn. I think that comes down to how bad Ahearns defense is or how great his shooting is. I think Gaines is the pick since he's just a solid all around proven 3rd NBA caliber Point Guard.

    Wildcard #1 - Lance looks like he's ready for a break through season and they feel like you don't need to carry those extra guys as insurance.

    Wildcard #2 - Sam Young is the only one out of those 4 that has an actualy chance to beat out guys in front of him and be a rotation player. Gaines/Ahearn are #3 Point Guards, not beating out Hill and DJ Augustine. Pendergraph isn't beating out the rotation bigs in front of him. Sam Young has to beat out Lance and Orlando to start to get minutes in a 10 man rotation...that doesn't seem impossible, at all.

    Final Roster going into the first game would look like this, I think (pending other moves, of course).

    Point guards (3) - George Hill, DJ Augustine, Sundiata Gaines
    Wings (6) - Paul George, Danny Granger, Gerald Greene, Lance Stephenson, Sam Young, Orlando Johnson
    Bigs (6) - David West, Roy Hibbert, Ian Mahimni, Tyler Hansbrough, Miles Plumlee, Jeff Pendergraph
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