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Longevity is one of the most overrated things in sports. Now, I'm not saying it's not important, but I do feel we as Pacer fans like to put a lot of emphasis on it, because it happens to be one of Reggie's big "plus points". However, if a guy only played 8 years in the league and during those 8 years won 6 championships and then retired, he would still be one of the greatest players of all time. Longevity is definitely worth something, but it's only so much. Heck, just ask Pistol Pete himself.
I rank Reggie a no brainer top 10, arguably top 5 SG. MJ, Kobe, Drexler, I guess Wade, but after that arguments can be made.
How can some of these guys be ahead of Reggie when they were not even the top guy/go to guy on their own teams, mainly talking about Ray Allen, Dumars, even Jerry West played with a team of HOFers. Reggie out played AI and Ray in the playoffs when they were both in their prime and the main men on there respective teams.
If Reggie had played with some of the teammates these guys played with he'd have several rings. Reggie came to a team that had only made the playoffs a few times in there NBA history. They then made the playoffs 15 out of 18 years. I know, It was not ALL Reggie of course, but players and coaches came and went and Reggie still keep winning games till the very end. He scored 39 points on Kobe and beat the Lakers at 39 years old.
What if Ray never went to the Celtics, how would he be perceived different, a guy that was a great shooter, but rarely even made the playoffs and never won crap? What if Wade never played with Shaq or Lebron. Would he just be a big time talented scorer who never won anything (Mitch Richmond)?
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The Allen/Miller debate will always be unfair to both of them. They were never in comparable situations. Just my take on it, similar play styles, yes, but never really similar situations.
Big O was definitely not in SA. That's my bad... I had just got done looking at Gervin's tab, but my point still stands. With O, he was Lebron James before Lebron. Dominated the ball a lot from what I know. I clearly wasn't around then to know his game as much as more current players. He played some SF, but he [primarily played with bigger players in bigger lineups. It seemed to be a "give it to O and rebound the **** out of the ball" type of game and therefore he played in a lot of lineups with three forwards. It's like Kobe and Lebron. He typically is the guy that brings the ball up or is handling the ball most of the time and his PGs are more relegated to spreading the floor and defending quicker guys than doing the major ball handling duties.
If you put O in the discussion of SGs he is there near the top. I don't see how he can be a PG with his size, the guys he guarded and the smaller guys who played next to him, i.e. Adrien Smith. If I am way off in my assessment, could some people who know from watching the games tell me if I am way off.
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Obviously I didn't see him live, but when I've seen clips of him on youtube or on Classic, I would always call him a PG and that is usually how he is described by "experts". I can certainly see where his size and other factors could make him a two, but I would call him a PG first.
I judge Wade not even off his rings... I think the knock on him is that he sort of rode 2 legends to those 2 rings. But he's still a damned good, dynamic 2-guard. At least offensively.
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Wade (and the refs) won the 06 Finals. Shaq didn't break 20 points in any of the Finals games. Shaq was great against Chicago and Detroit though.
Wade was without question the best player on an NBA championship team. That can never be taken away from him.
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AI was definitely a more talented player than Miller by some distance. IMO, he was better than Wade and rivaled Kobe on offense.
As good as he was, he certainly helped his teams win. But his talent level didn't fully translate to making his team that much better. Players would often just watch the AI show and it worked quite a bit. But it stunted the team's growth at times. At the same time, he didn't have the best teams throughout his career...yet I don't think that changes what I'm saying.