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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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NFL Sunday Ticket Rant

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  • NFL Sunday Ticket Rant

    I don't understand why the NFL allows DirecTV to maintain a monopoly on Sunday Ticket.

    I have Fios and even though Comcast has its issues for the last year or two I have been pretty satisfied with it. I have no desire to get DirecTV for several reasons:

    1.) I live in an apartment building in a gentrifying neighborhood. Therefore, I don't have the room or the right atmosphere for a satellite dish. Even if there was somehow room to install it, some neighborhood kids would probably steal it.

    2.) Satellites are stupid. I find it somewhat hilarious that my cable always works, while one of my wealthier relatives, who made more money this month than I probably have over the past few years, can never watch TV when it rains or storms hard. I just have no desire to deal with that crap. What is the need for satellite dishes anymore anyway, when you can get hundreds of channels on Fios without one?

    3.) I like Fios just fine and have no reason to adjust to a new service provider.

    I know a ton of NFL fans in a similar predicament. They don't want DirecTV but would otherwise pay the NFL a few hundred dollars a year for Sunday Ticket. Every year NFL it is the same, please take my money.

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    I get NBA League Pass every year and would easily pay for this. Yet, I will never pay for DirecTV.

    Oh well, it's their loss more than mine. lol

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      The bigger question why would you shell out any money to watch a team that's going to go 0-16 when you are RGIII's backyard? Green.
      Originally posted by Natston;n3510291
      I want the people to know that they still have 2 out of the 3 T.J.s working for them, and that ain't bad...

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        You want Sunday Ticket without DirecTv? Go buy a PS3 and stream it.

        As a Directv subscriber (who does not have Sunday Ticket), I find that it takes a MAJOR downpour for me to lose signal, (one of the benefits of having installed the dish with a LITERALLY PERFECT direct line of site with no trees blocking at all.) which I get maybe once every six months or so. Even during that MASSIVE 2-day icestorm that hit Indy the day after the Pacers canned JOB, I didn't lose signal until 2AM the second night, and it was back within an hour. My cable internet on the otherhand, for some odd reason drops if the winds blows the wrong way.

        B. FIOS isn't cable.
        "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

        "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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          Re: NFL Sunday Ticket Rant

          I do not have a PS3, but I know people who use this option:

          http://www.slashgear.com/sony-and-di...-ps3-31245533/




          Sony and DirecTV have announced that they’ve teamed up once again this year to bring PS3 owners access to NFL Sunday Ticket. The two companies did the same thing last year, but there’s one key difference this time around: the price. Users “without access” to DirecTV can get NFL Sunday Ticket on PS3 for $299.95, which – even though it sounds pretty expensive – is a bit cheaper than it was last year.

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            Re: NFL Sunday Ticket Rant

            I do not have a PS3, but I know people who use this option:

            http://www.slashgear.com/sony-and-di...-ps3-31245533/




            Sony and DirecTV have announced that they’ve teamed up once again this year to bring PS3 owners access to NFL Sunday Ticket. The two companies did the same thing last year, but there’s one key difference this time around: the price. Users “without access” to DirecTV can get NFL Sunday Ticket on PS3 for $299.95, which – even though it sounds pretty expensive – is a bit cheaper than it was last year.

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              Re: NFL Sunday Ticket Rant

              At least you arent stuck with COX cable!!!!! they SUCK!!!!

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                DirecTV pays the NFL a buttload of money to have the exclusive rights to NFL Sunday Ticket. The contract works out to over $700 million per year. What's stupid about it, is that all DirecTV is doing is taking the CBS and Fox feeds and making them available out of market.

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                  Re: NFL Sunday Ticket Rant

                  I'm considering trying Game Rewind this year. It's only $35. Probably listen to the game live and then watch the archived broadcast the next day. And they have a condensed version so it shouldn't be too boring since I'll already know the outcome.
                  link

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                    Re: NFL Sunday Ticket Rant

                    Originally posted by idioteque View Post
                    I don't understand why the NFL allows DirecTV to maintain a monopoly on Sunday Ticket.

                    I have Fios and even though Comcast has its issues for the last year or two I have been pretty satisfied with it. I have no desire to get DirecTV for several reasons:

                    1.) I live in an apartment building in a gentrifying neighborhood. Therefore, I don't have the room or the right atmosphere for a satellite dish. Even if there was somehow room to install it, some neighborhood kids would probably steal it.

                    2.) Satellites are stupid. I find it somewhat hilarious that my cable always works, while one of my wealthier relatives, who made more money this month than I probably have over the past few years, can never watch TV when it rains or storms hard. I just have no desire to deal with that crap. What is the need for satellite dishes anymore anyway, when you can get hundreds of channels on Fios without one?

                    3.) I like Fios just fine and have no reason to adjust to a new service provider.

                    I know a ton of NFL fans in a similar predicament. They don't want DirecTV but would otherwise pay the NFL a few hundred dollars a year for Sunday Ticket. Every year NFL it is the same, please take my money.
                    Wow, DirecTV must have urinated in your cheerios. I think somebody is jealous that DirecTV had a great idea that the pushed the NFL in to doing it, and your real problem is that you live in poor location that has limited your options. A personal problem really. Your claims about satellite prove you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to how you get your Fios and cable broadcasts. Oh, that's right. They come from satellites. There are other options. Maybe you should research it.

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                      I cannot speak for the OP, but there are plenty of places around here that cannot get directv....and it has nothing to do with the quality of the neighborhood. Plenty of upscale places have tree lines that block the possibility of satellite, which to be frank sucks a lot.

                      We had directv years ago (talking 1995ish) and we lost it a lot to storms. I have been told by numerous people things have gotten better, but my good friend has it and a few times we have gone over every time it storm and they lose reception. Kind of discouraging for someone who enjoys watching tv shows on a regular basis.

                      Actually, sometimes you have to work with what you have. My only option as of now is Cox cable......which plains sucks. I dont have good enough signal (because of the trees) to get directv and FIOS is not offered here

                      Perhaps the OP has researched his options and is just venting that NBALP is not offered on more platforms. An opinion he is entitled to (and I highly doubt he is alone)

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                        Re: NFL Sunday Ticket Rant

                        A year ago I went to watch a UFC fight in Westfield where a friend had DirecTV, and he had to just call and ask for a refund.

                        It was unwatchable, because of a fairly normal, run of the mill storm. It wasn't some epic storm. A group of friends and I grilled that day, and had all the food setup and were getting ready for the event to start, and the storm ruined it.

                        You guys can claim it's 'been fixed', or 'not that bad' all you want, but nothing is going to trump my real life experience.

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                          Re: NFL Sunday Ticket Rant

                          Yeah I have DirecTV and on rare occasions it will act up and have bad reception. One I can think of is during the Olympics earlier this summer. Not quite as big of a deal there since we all knew the outcome of the events by the time they aired but still.

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                            Re: NFL Sunday Ticket Rant

                            Are you guys sure Sunday Ticket was always a Directv exclusive? I was thinking at one time it wasn't but I could be wrong.

                            If anyone is having frequent reception issues with Directv in the rain or when the wind blows, you either have an obstructed view of the horizon or you dish is misaligned (or both). Your mount could've settled some or a bolt loosened (or never was tightened) or the installer didn't do a good job in the first place.

                            I noticed I had started to get a little more rain fade than usual. I ASSUMED it was tree growth but then last fall I had a new roof put on and they took down the dish. So I reinstalled it myself and made sure everything was plumb and true and registering properly on the meters. Not only did that eliminate the increased rain fade I was seeing BUT it also made it so I hardly see rain fade at all, even in a deluge. So I know from experience that rain fade should be a fairly rare occurrence.
                            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                            "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                            -John Wooden

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                              Yesterday it absolutely poured in Indy and we didnt have a single issue with the reception.

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