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    We're not winning the Big Ten. It's all about March now.

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    So I guess Michigan will be back to number 1 assuming they beat Wiscy on Saturday? Don't know what the **** is gonna happen if they lose.
    Gonzaga #1!?

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    Gonzaga #1!?
    That would be something. I guess Duke will probably get to go back if Michigan loses though unfortunately.

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    We're not winning the Big Ten. It's all about March now.
    In order to win in March we need to still compete for a big 10 title. If they can win in Ohio State on Sunday they are still right in the thick of it. It is put up or shut up time. All the NOMEE, all the chest thumping by Sheehey, all the 3s on the sides of their heads, if they want to be the baddest in town, then it is time for them to win their first sack up game of the season. Ohio State is the first game you really have to say the Hoosiers HAVE to have if they want to be a 1 seed in March. A 2 game slide is probably going to the doom them from being a 1.

    They need to sack the **** up and get it done, or they need to shut the **** up for the rest of the season and stop showboating after every big play. And I love this team, but this is the brutally honest truth of the matter.

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    I keep going over and over in my head, how does Cody miss that switch. I mean come on. How does he miss that. This game was gift wrapped for us. Just devastating.
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    That would be something. I guess Duke will probably get to go back if Michigan loses though unfortunately.
    Michigan has MSU and Duke has UNC next week. Maybe it could be 6 weeks in a row with the #1 team losing!

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    Just relax people! I don't even want IU to have the #1 ranking. It's just a big target on your back. As long as Indiana learns from these disappointing losses hopefully they will be right where they need to be a month from now when it really matters.(#1 seed or not)

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    Most have always thought that 14-4 would win the B1G title and IU is 8-2.

    Finishing 6-2 will be tougher than the 8-2 was, since IU faces 4 road games tougher than any road game they've have won to date. But I don't think IU is out of it, even with a loss on Sunday, though at that point the margin for error will have disappeared.

    You can't win if the opponent scores over half of all their points off of your turnovers. You just can't. No matter how fast you want to play and how much easy offense is created by that pace, you can't survive the high rate of turnovers we saw last night, even against a so-so team. That must be tightened up, NOW.
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    I keep going over and over in my head, how does Cody miss that switch. I mean come on. How does he miss that. This game was gift wrapped for us. Just devastating.
    I watched the last play several times, and while Cody should get a portion of the blame, it wasn't entirely his fault.

    Griffey doesn't get that lay-up unless 4 of the 5 guys on the court screw up. They did. The only player without fault was Oladipo, guarding the in-bounds passer. Watford was matched up with Griffey, but got lost trying to help when Yogi's man ran off Griffey's screen and was going to be wide open in the corner. Not a bad decision by Watford necessarily, but there clearly wasn't enough communication between him and his teammates, and you'd rather give up a 3 than a layup in that situation. Watford screwed up. Yogi didn't really guard anyone after his man ran to the corner. Yogi screwed up. Cody could have seen Griffey slip the screen and switch off to him, but he didn't. He stuck with his man at the 3 point line, rather than take away the basket. Cody screwed up. Sheehey may actually have been the worst of all of them. He was hugging his man in the far opposite corner, rather than playing help side defense, when it would have taken a one in a million pass to get the ball to his man. Again, you'd much rather his man get an open 3 than giving up such an easy layup. Sheehey screwed up.

    Hindsight is always 20/20, but that play was a massive defensive breakdown from everybody on the floor except Oladipo. It wasn't just Cody.

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    Mackey, I just think that Cody should have read the switch. I agree that Sheehey could have sagged off too. IMO, Watford made the right play he helped on the man out to the 3 point line and Yogi could have guarded Cody's man on the perimeter, point being Cody, Yogi, or Sheehey need to drop down to Griffey as he cuts to the hoop, there is no excuse for one of them not too. Watford read the switch correctly IMO, and shouldn't be punished just because his teammates didn't have his back. I know Griffey was "Watford's guy" at the start of the play but we see switches on inbounds happen all the time, I can't blame Watford that he switched off to the perimeter man when it was definitely the path of best defense from his stand point as a defender. He got caught behind the screen and would have been late getting back to Griffey anyway. Zeller would have had a clear path to follow Griffey all the way to the hoop, he could have ran right alongside him. JMO though, I just say a lot of people jumping Watford's **** really hard for that final play because Griffey was "his guy", I actually got into it with another guy at the bar over it, and while Watford had a terrible second half (2 points and like 4 turnovers I think), that final play wasn't really his fault as far as I'm concerned

    This brings up a fantastic point though, why was maybe the best all around defender in the country defending the freaking inbounds pass in that situation?
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    Most have always thought that 14-4 would win the B1G title and IU is 8-2.

    Finishing 6-2 will be tougher than the 8-2 was, since IU faces 4 road games tougher than any road game they've have won to date. But I don't think IU is out of it, even with a loss on Sunday, though at that point the margin for error will have disappeared.

    You can't win if the opponent scores over half of all their points off of your turnovers. You just can't. No matter how fast you want to play and how much easy offense is created by that pace, you can't survive the high rate of turnovers we saw last night, even against a so-so team. That must be tightened up, NOW.
    And when you look at it, turnovers (and bad second half D to an extent) are pretty much the only reason it was close. We out shot them by a good margin, we out rebounded them. Silly, silly mistakes. They can still win the conference, but the margin of error is pretty much gone and a loss to OSU on Sunday pretty much takes what is left of it completely away.

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    Just watched that play. I dont understand why Oladipo is defending the in bounds pass.

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    This brings up a fantastic point though, why was maybe the best all around defender in the country defending the freaking inbounds pass in that situation?
    A really good question. Seems like a big waste of his talent.

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    A really good question. Seems like a big waste of his talent.
    It seems the only possible justification is that you are selling out all your hopes for the chance that Oladipo tips the inbounds pass and that kills the play right there, but that seems like a really dumb thing to do.

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    the 2nd UM/IU game is probably going to be freaking huge

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    the 2nd UM/IU game is probably going to be freaking huge
    Does CBS or ESPN have that game? Whoever it is they are probably praying to 8LB 6oz baby ***** that both teams win out til that game.

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    Does CBS or ESPN have that game? Whoever it is they are probably praying to 8LB 6oz baby ***** that both teams win out til that game.
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    Well it'll be something that's for sure. I've backed off the ledge a little in my panic from last night. IU just has to prove they are really as good as they claim they are. If we can't pick each other up and go 3-1 at OSU, MSU, Minn, and Mich then I'm not sure we can compete for a championship in March anyway

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    It seems the only possible justification is that you are selling out all your hopes for the chance that Oladipo tips the inbounds pass and that kills the play right there, but that seems like a really dumb thing to do.
    It's a really dumb thing to do when you have somebody with Zeller's length who would be far more likely to affect the pass than Oladipo anyway.

    But IU's biggest weakness is usually clapping on the bench anyway, so it doesn't surprise me to see them lose because of something like that at the end of a close game.

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    It's a really dumb thing to do when you have somebody with Zeller's length who would be far more likely to affect the pass than Oladipo anyway.

    But IU's biggest weakness is usually clapping on the bench anyway, so it doesn't surprise me to see them lose because of something like that at the end of a close game.
    Agreed, I would have had Zeller on the inbounder.

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    when I said they scored half their points off turnovers it was an exaggeration.

    28 pts off IU's TOs, 38% of their points. Still a HUGE amount.
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    when I said they scored half their points off turnovers it was an exaggeration.

    28 pts off IU's TOs, 38% of their points. Still a HUGE amount.
    not that much of an exaggeration unfortunately

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    when I said they scored half their points off turnovers it was an exaggeration.

    28 pts off IU's TOs, 38% of their points. Still a HUGE amount.
    Honestly turnovers and offensive rebounding are the two biggest keys to winning in college basketball. They are the only things that can overcome poor shooting and ruin good shooting. It's why Yogi will be such an important part of IU. A true point guard can turn average teams into good teams and good teams into championship teams.

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    I know IU's zone defense has been horrible this season but I will never, ever, think that playing man on a baseline out of bounds play is the better option. You can transition back to man once the ball is inbounded but it removes the chance that something happens exactly like it did last night. When there is 1 second left a zone is makes even more sense. Zeller missed an obvious and simple switch but giving him that opportunity is just bad coaching.
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    Honestly turnovers and offensive rebounding are the two biggest keys to winning in college basketball. They are the only things that can overcome poor shooting and ruin good shooting. It's why Yogi will be such an important part of IU. A true point guard can turn average teams into good teams and good teams into championship teams.
    Which is why that last IU offensive play baffled me, Yogi (as he usually does) was slicing up the Illinois D with his penetration and yet we iso Vic who to be honest had struggled offensively a lot of the game? What the hell was that. I would have run a Yogi and Cody pick and roll with the option to kick to Watford on the perimeter and I would have had Vic and Sheehey crash the boards from behind looking for the tip. I think we would have scored if we had run that set as it is one of our most effective offensive moves. Yogi should be our primary ball handler, nothing against Vic, it is just that Yogi is that good of a decision maker.

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