"I had to take her down like Chris Brown."
I'm trying to decide if I even want to venture over to the dumpster fire that is probably Peegs today.
Here is my question
If we start either Hulls or Yogi and then Vic, Sheehey, Watford, Zeller last night does that change the complexion of the game? I think it does. Like I said I think sticking with the small backcourt is my biggest head scratcher from last night.
We spotted them an 18 point lead and then from then on at least played them even or maybe slightly better, but that small lineup simply set us back too far. Bilas basically said the same thing this morning. They picked on our small guards, especially Triche on Hulls early and then we let them get ahead and stay ahead.
**** happens, Cuse's zone was a bad matchup and we couldn't hit our 3s either, which you know you need to hit at least 5 or 6 against Cuse to make them bring that zone out a bit and we didn't.
Perfect storm, perfect storm, but I certinaly think the program is in a great spot and we are going to be competitive every year. I am excited for the future and I think we all should be. Disappointed in last night, but excited for what the future can hold. Vonleh is great. Troy Williams is a really exciting commit for a lot of reasons. I heard something last night that surprised me, but I guess it shouldn't Ohio State has the longest streak in the nation right now at 4 straight sweet 16 appearances everybody else is at 3 or less at the moment.
Last edited by Trader Joe; 03-29-2013 at 12:13 PM.
I'm going to say exactly what I said last year. Selfishly, I really hope Cody Zeller stays. But he should absolutely go pro. No question.
"I had to take her down like Chris Brown."
Eh I think he's going 10-13 whether it's this year or next. But I won't begrudge him one bit if he declares.
Maybe 2 years ago, but not now. IU may be able to pay him more (although Butler's move to the Big East means Stevens is likely due for a raise), but I can't see him jumping ship. It should be Duke or bust for Stevens if he leaves at all.
I'd say on a 10 point scale, Crean is an 8.5...he's an excellent recruiter and his enthusiasm for the game is contagious, but as far as an X's and O's coach, he's probably above average at best. He's done enough for IU's program to get the benefit of the doubt for at least the next 5 years or so.
If IU wanted to make the move to get Brad Stevens they could, but there is no reason for them to.
If you go by recruit rankings IU will have better talent next year. Vonleh is the highest ranked recruit Crean has ever landed at IU and the 2013 class is ranked #4 in the country by ESPN.
Next year's team will have more talent but won't be as good due to the loss of upperclassmen and possibly Zeller. I think IU will be back in the top 10 in 2014-15 though.
The only people who think this are IU fans.
Stevens isn't going to take someone's job that got fired. He'll take someone's like Coach K who retires in an environment where he knows he can be successful. Honestly, would you feel safe if IU fired Tom Crean (who has been fairly successful) to get you? There's some pretty unreasonable expectations there if that would be the case.
Last edited by PR07; 03-29-2013 at 05:07 PM.
Stevens is staying put at Butler. One of the classiest, most loyal guys out there.
Stevens will stay with Butler. Look at what Butler's AD has done to get him more consistent access to talent and national respect. A10 this year, and now the Big East. He is not going to leave when his AD is making huge efforts in helping him build a legendary program. Stevens could essentially have his pick of available programs as this point. He wants to build something from scratch.
You can't get champagne from a garden hose.
I don't know about what Zeller is thinking, but I totally agree with your point.
I don't see Zeller as a post player at all in the NBA. He has no where near the required strength and his elevation just doesn't enable it. I haven't seen him taking a lot of 15-18 foot jumpers to go well with the PF position either. He does run the floor well and has the quickness to get around defenders away from the basket. If I were Zeller, I would definitely take the money, I don't think he could be drafted any high next year than this year and he risks being lower next year. This year, I don't think he will be drafted as high as he was slotted earlier this year; I think he will settle in at 7-10.
As for the game last night, I can't state strongly enough how disappointed I am in Crean. Although we really weren't playing a high/low post combination, we were still getting a ton of open looks at the high post for Zeller. The problem was that Zeller took very few of them. My assumption is that Zeler must not have much confidence in that shot. But jeez, come on. That is where you expect the shots to present themselves and that is where you have to be prepared to take them.
Crean should have slid Watford into the high post and established Zeller on the baseline just outside of the lane. Watford has the size to get those shots and can easily make those shots or take the ball to he rim. As one or two of the baseline defenders would close on him, he then would have had the choice of shooting or passing to Zeller or Sheehy near the rim.
Crean is probably a good coach for option A or option B, but he doesn't seem to be great at providing an impromptu option C. Even though we did miss a lot of open shots, I just didn't think we were all that well prepared. If we were, our players would have been far more prepared to take those 10-12 foot high post shots as they presented themselves. After all, those are the shots you hope to get against the 2-3 if you are hoping to open up better opportunities along the baseline.
Any coach should be able to get into the NCAA tournament with Indiana's recruiting resources. That's an awfully low bar to set. You'd have to be an absolutely terrible coach and recruiter to miss out on the NCAAT given everything Indiana has to sell.
I'm not giving up on Crean yet, but a bunch of Sweet 16's isn't going to cut it. The end of this season was a complete failure.