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    Aulani Sinclair won the womens 3 point shootout, Hulls got 2nd in the mens. And that dude from Detroit can freaking dunk.
    It's too bad Hulls couldn't knock them down when it really counted.

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    @insidethehall Cody Zeller applied for ICORE for summer session. No NBA workouts for him. Please no retweet




    No idea who this guy is, or how he would know, but speculation about Zeller signing up for ICORE has been out for awhile.

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    Ryan Cutshall ‏@r_cutshall
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    @insidethehall Cody Zeller applied for ICORE for summer session. No NBA workouts for him. Please no retweet




    No idea who this guy is, or how he would know, but speculation about Zeller signing up for ICORE has been out for awhile.

    Rex Cutshall has been an I-CORE professor for awhile. Perhaps this is his son?

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    If Zeller comes back we could make a run at the title next year. Vonleh is even better than Oladipo.

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    Vonleh is even better than Oladipo.
    As a collegian? Next year, Vonleh won't be near as good as Oladipo was this year. He's highly ranked, but he's got some holes in his game for sure.

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    The IU baseball team won its 17th in a row today, beating Illinois 3-2 at home. Now 7-0 in the Big Ten.

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    I still think Oladipo is a little over-rated. He was great some games but other games when you really needed him to step up and take over a game he just wasn't there. He's a little like Paul George to me. Great player but somewhat over-hyped.

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    I still think Oladipo is a little over-rated. He was great some games but other games when you really needed him to step up and take over a game he just wasn't there. He's a little like Paul George to me. Great player but somewhat over-hyped.

    Solid analogy. In this tournament, Trey Burke has done what we needed Oladipo to do. He didn't play terrible against Syracuse and did have a pulse unlike some on our team, but it would have been nice to get a bit more out of him.

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    That's not his game, guys. Victor is not a go-to scorer.

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    That's not his game, guys. Victor is not a go-to scorer.
    But that doesn't change the fact we sure could've used someone like him to have been one...
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    But that doesn't change the fact we sure could've used someone like him to have been one...
    Oh without question. But asking that out of Victor when it really isn't his game isn't realistic.

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    Oh without question. But asking that out of Victor when it really isn't his game isn't realistic.

    I have a hard time believing that he couldn't have shot the ball more than 6 times against Syracuse.

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    I have a hard time believing that he couldn't have shot the ball more than 6 times against Syracuse.
    Oh I'm 100% positive he could have shot it more than 6 times if he wanted to. The problem is, what makes Victor so good is that he doesn't force bad shots. He's a smart player. How else could a guard shoot 60% from the field? Again, you are asking something of him that isn't in his repertoire yet.

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    Oh I'm 100% positive he could have shot it more than 6 times if he wanted to. The problem is, what makes Victor so good is that he doesn't force bad shots. He's a smart player. How else could a guard shoot 60% from the field? Again, you are asking something of him that isn't in his repertoire yet.

    I understand what you're saying. In that game though, I would have welcomed some "bad" shots from him since nothing else was working. I have no doubt that he could hit some "bad" shots. Skilled guards should take bad shots, as silly as it might sound. Should a guard ever shoot 60% from the field on the season? It's almost too good. I'd rather a player gamble a bit more, which might lower the shooting percentage but on the whole would have a net positive effect. I'm sure Jordan could have shot 60% in college too if he only took "safe" shots. But he gambled, which kept his shooting percentage in the 50's, but overall had a net positive effect.

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    If anyone can get to an IU baseball game, I highly recommend taking one in. I went to their game today and watched the Hoosiers take care of Illinois to win their 18th straight. This team is legit. Bart Kaufman Field is an excellent stadium--not a bad seat in the house. Today there was another sellout crowd of over 2,700 there; a good mix of college students and families were out and about. Check it out, Hoosiers fans!
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    My personal take having just finished Michigan-Syracuse on my DVR is that we just didn't have the horses. I think that holds true if you look at Wichita State-Louisville as well.

    Our top five or six are legit from a basketball talent standpoint, but we are at a significant athletic disadvantage against any of those teams (height, length, strength, speed, etc), including very notably in the backcourt where our guards are just lilliputian comparatively.

    Michigan and Wichita State both had the strength and athleticism to successfully battle two very physically dominant teams all over the court. This means in Michigan's case the ability to challenge on the boards and draw fouls at the rim, get up perimeter shots over the zone's length, and push back against on-ball pressure and penetrate.

    Now, Michigan did suffer a major lapse offensively down the stretch, and you can say they were fortunate at times. But, the ability to match Syracuse's physicality during that drought was key in them hanging on. Importantly, Michigan was more prepared strategically and psychologically for Syracuse's pressure approach as well.

    IF Zeller stays that obviously helps our cause a lot, but can Crean find a way to help him improve and become more effective? Are Vonleh and Perea ready to provide meaningful contributions in terms of B1G physicality let alone basketball - wise? Finally, what will become of Yogi? One line of thinking is this year was crucial experience that will help him improve. Yet, I didn't see nearly as many glimpses of the potential the hype would have had me believe about him to alleviate concern. And for a PG he displayed massive issues with decision making and turnovers.

    I guess now we'll see what Crean is made of in terms of player development. I think we know a lot about his in - game strengths and weaknesses. If in two years or so I find myself pining for Watford and Hulls, both of whom were good players and did incredible things for the health of the program, but also were clearly limited by their inferior athleticism, then I'll know Crean has run his course.
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    Now, Michigan did suffer a major lapse offensively down the stretch, and you can say they were fortunate at times. But, the ability to match Syracuse's physicality during that drought was key in them hanging on. Importantly, Michigan was more prepared strategically and psychologically for Syracuse's pressure approach as well.
    If in two years or so I find myself pining for Watford and Hulls, both of whom were good players and did incredible things for the health of the program, but also were clearly limited by their inferior athleticism, then I'll know Crean has run his course.
    First off, Syracuse could have easily won that game if they had better offensive execution down the stretch. Southerland and MCW were no shows offensively. Michigan desperately tried to give the game away at the FT line but Syracuse's last two offensive possessions were laughably poor. I wouldn't say Michigan had a mental edge in that game.

    Second, you don't get to determine when Crean "runs his course." Fred Glass does and I trust his judgment and ability to see the forest through the trees when evaluating the program.
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    I don't know much about the guys they have coming in but what I do agree with is IU needs to get longer and more athletic.

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    As a collegian? Next year, Vonleh won't be near as good as Oladipo was this year. He's highly ranked, but he's got some holes in his game for sure.
    I agree, but Vonleh could be better than Watford and then Yogi's improvement + Sheehey and I think Troy Williams is going to thrive in our style of play. Obviously no one guy is going to make up Vic's presence but it could be a group effort.

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    I don't know much about the guys they have coming in but what I do agree with is IU needs to get longer and more athletic.
    Then you're going to love Troy Williams.

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    FWIW, I keep reading where Oladipo is 100% gone, but Zeller is "leaning" towards leaving, but no one really knows. That kid is a ****ing expert at keeping secrets. His recruitment was a guessing game until the day he announced his decision.
    The whole family has been training at this now for a decade.

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    Rabjohns reporting he has learned from sources that Zeller is going pro.

    I can't say I'm shocked. He turned down the NBA last year and his stock was going to fall even more in 2014 with that being a likely loaded draft class.

    We'll have a setback for sure next season, losing four starters, but I expect the team to be back to prominence the following season.

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    It's all on you now, Yogi. This is your team.

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    Good Luke Fischer time
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    It's all on you now, Yogi. This is your team.
    Need a quantum leap from him next year.
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