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  • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

    Originally posted by BillS View Post
    He posted a link to the site with the efficiency numbers he is using:

    http://www.nba.com/statistics/player...ager.offset=50
    Which shows there's less difference of efficiency between Danny and Roy than there is between #1 LeBron and #2 Kevin Love.
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    • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

      Originally posted by Since86 View Post
      Which shows there's less difference of efficiency between Danny and Roy than there is between #1 LeBron and #2 Kevin Love.
      Well, yeah, kind of the same as my point about the difference between JJ/Danny and JJ/Monta, but you can't say he didn't show you where he got his numbers.
      BillS

      A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
      Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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      • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

        Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
        I would trade him even up for any of the players you mention. The fact that two of them have big contracts doesn't mean they are not better players. They certainly are. I would trade Granger for Ellis or Jennings in a heart beat. So, perhaps he is better than the mighty Pooh but it isn't clear....... ... So, in reality, just about every team has someone better than Granger on their roster and many of them have several player better than Granger...... ...
        Well, at least he has never had his head stuck in a honey jar. At least not that has been made public.

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        • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

          Originally posted by mattie View Post
          Outside of LBJ, 'Melo Deron, and Rose, every player on that list could potentially be traded for with Granger as the main asset the Pacers would offer.
          I think he is talking about 1-for-1 trades (not considering salary matching), not trades that are Granger + whomever for another player.

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          • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

            Since86, the "efficiency" rating that vnzla81 posted has nothing to do with shooting efficiency.

            http://www.nba.com/statistics/efficiency.html

            It's a combo stat used by NBA.com, as opposed to the PER used by Hollinger/ESPN. The 2 stats have a similar concept actually, but use slightly different formulas. As a result, they share a lot of the same weaknesses.

            Btw, if you compare last season's PER, Danny actually had a better season that Monta or JJ, which goes back to BillS's point that the statistical difference among them is quite small - small enough that a change in formula changes the rankings.

            And oh, Troy Murphy used to post out of this world EFF numbers. Just sayin'
            Last edited by wintermute; 08-28-2012, 12:20 PM.

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            • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

              Yea, all stats aside, just observing all those players, there is no way I'd label JJ or Monta as "clearly" better than Granger, if at all. I'd say "marginal" is accurate. I might say JJ 2-3 years ago was a more polished offensive player than Danny, but now it's pretty much a wash. JJ is 31 now and slowing down. Monta has some impressive offensive skills, but has a lot of holes in his game, too. Glaring ones. Danny is the better defender, of those three, anyway.
              Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 08-28-2012, 12:26 PM.
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              • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

                VNZLA - I would like to challenge you to go to other message boards and ask people if they think Danny, Monta, JJ, and Josh Smith are on the same level or not... And please post links to your results... I think you would find this is base NBA knowledge... Not just seen through blue and gold colored lenses...

                And I know this holds very little weight but check their 2K ratings... They are all absolutely on the same level... Annual fringe all-stars... They are all jockeying for the final slots on All-star teams...
                Nothing in life worth having comes easy.

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                • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?



                  "Irrationality and deception. Powerful agents... to the uninitiated. But we are initiated, aren't we?" - PacerfanBane

                  This is approximately the 3,536,226,236th time I've seen the "I'll prove my bias is the truth by picking and choosing my statistics" method to 'win an argument' in my time here.

                  I'm not falling for it.

                  If I'm expected to weigh in, just put me down for "We ought to appreciate Danny Granger if for nothing else than from the perspective of who he is/was at a time when we needed someone like him to be the face of this franchise."

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                  • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

                    The supreme irony in all of this is that if it weren't for the blatant anti Granger fans on here nobody on this board would be calling Danny Granger a great player.

                    That's what's always killed me whenever we discuss this topic. The anti Granger fans are so anti Granger that they cause people to defend Granger at a level higher than they actually think of him.

                    I'm one of the bigger Granger supporters on here & even I would not tell you that the guy is anything more than a very good and talented basketball player. He is not super star player (if by super star you mean LeBron, Bryant, etc.) he would not even be in that second group of star players (Mello, Paul, D. Williams, etc.)

                    I guess where the great disagreement comes from is that I do think that he falls into the third level of player but I'm willing to say he is at or around the bottom of those players. So yes I do think he is lumped into the group with Gay, Iggy, JJ, etc.

                    Now it is pretty well known around here that I don't always take the Pacers side of things. I think I made myself pretty clear over the years about Jim O'Brien & Jermaine O'Neal and I'm not even as thrilled with David West as some of you are (I don't dislike him at all but I do hate his defense) so when I say that I don't think Granger is a bad player or that I don't think he is worse than JJ, Gay, Iggy, Deng, etc. does that make me a homer who only sees things through blue & gold glasses?


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                    • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

                      Originally posted by Peck View Post
                      The supreme irony in all of this is that if it weren't for the blatant anti Granger fans on here nobody on this board would be calling Danny Granger a great player.

                      That's what's always killed me whenever we discuss this topic. The anti Granger fans are so anti Granger that they cause people to defend Granger at a level higher than they actually think of him.

                      I'm one of the bigger Granger supporters on here & even I would not tell you that the guy is anything more than a very good and talented basketball player. He is not super star player (if by super star you mean LeBron, Bryant, etc.) he would not even be in that second group of star players (Mello, Paul, D. Williams, etc.)

                      I guess where the great disagreement comes from is that I do think that he falls into the third level of player but I'm willing to say he is at or around the bottom of those players. So yes I do think he is lumped into the group with Gay, Iggy, JJ, etc.

                      Now it is pretty well known around here that I don't always take the Pacers side of things. I think I made myself pretty clear over the years about Jim O'Brien & Jermaine O'Neal and I'm not even as thrilled with David West as some of you are (I don't dislike him at all but I do hate his defense) so when I say that I don't think Granger is a bad player or that I don't think he is worse than JJ, Gay, Iggy, Deng, etc. does that make me a homer who only sees things through blue & gold glasses?
                      And because somebody says that Danny is not as good as JJ,JS or Monta doesn't mean that person think he is garbage either.

                      If I remember correctly some people here thought he was(is) as good as Reggie at the same age if that's not overrating him I don't know what to tell you.

                      To me Danny is falling into the same place guys like Richard Jefferson and Rashard Lewis has fallen, previous all stars that have lost an step and people still believe they can play at the same level they once did.


                      By the way this is not the first time somebody overrates Danny or you forgot the Danny/Melo thread were people thought they were in the same level lol.
                      Last edited by vnzla81; 08-28-2012, 01:33 PM.
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                      • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

                        Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                        And because somebody says that Danny is not as good as JJ,JS or Monta doesn't mean that person think he is garbage either.

                        If I remember correctly some people here thought he was(is) as good as Reggie at the same age if that's not overrating him I don't know what to tell you.

                        To me Danny is falling into the same place guys like Richard Jefferson and Rashard Lewis has fallen, previous all stars that have lost an step and people still believe they can play at the same level they once did.
                        Is it possible that Danny has lost a step? Sure

                        Is it also possible that Danny took a step back to allow the rest of the team to move forward?

                        Now let's see how you answer that.

                        Also yes I am the one who compared him to Reggie and I still stand by that. During the regular season they are remarkably similar, I just thought Danny would be able to pick it up during the playoffs and he didn't. Now he did last season vs. the Bulls even you have admitted that in the past.

                        But yes I do consider his servies vs. the Magic a dissapointment and I don't think anyone will fault him for not excelling vs. LeBron James.


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                        • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

                          Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                          To me Danny is falling into the same place guys like Richard Jefferson and Rashard Lewis has fallen, previous all stars that have lost an step and people still believe they can play at the same level they once did.
                          Richard Jefferson and Rashard Lewis were never the leaders of their respected teams. Danny was/is.
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                          • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

                            Originally posted by Peck View Post
                            Is it possible that Danny has lost a step? Sure

                            Is it also possible that Danny took a step back to allow the rest of the team to move forward?

                            Now let's see how you answer that.

                            Also yes I am the one who compared him to Reggie and I still stand by that. During the regular season they are remarkably similar, I just thought Danny would be able to pick it up during the playoffs and he didn't. Now he did last season vs. the Bulls even you have admitted that in the past.

                            But yes I do consider his servies vs. the Magic a dissapointment and I don't think anyone will fault him for not excelling vs. LeBron James.
                            I think he lost an step and I don't believe "he is taking one for the team" as many believe here, last years team was the best team he ever had around and instead of getting better he got worse, like I said before if it wasn't because of his great last month his numbers would have been even worse, before that he was on the bottom in the NBA.

                            And yes I agree with you about his play against Orlando and I expected him to at least be decent against Lebron but he was not even close to decent(I know some people are going to come up with some numbers but I watched the games and he wasn't great), to be the great player many say he is he was a disappointment all year last year but one month, why are people ignoring that?

                            Danny is a good player but I'm pretty sure that if he didn't have the Pacers uniform on many here would think he is garbage, I understand we are in a Pacers side so of course some people are going to see it through the blue and gold glasses and are going to disagree with me not matter what, my point is that many here overrate Danny the same way people overrated Dunleavy and the same way people overrated DC.
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                            • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

                              Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                              Richard Jefferson and Rashard Lewis were never the leaders of their respected teams. Danny was/is.
                              I'm talking about the game of Basketball and their abilities I don't give a damn about their leadership abilities.
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                              • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

                                Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                                I'm talking about the game of Basketball and their abilities I don't give a damn about their leadership abilities.
                                And if you think that Danny's ability is equal to Rashard Lewis, then you don't know damn about Rashard Lewis.

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