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  • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

    Originally posted by Anthem View Post
    Don't get me started. I'll bump post game threads, don't think I won't.
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    • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

      Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
      Pacer Fan - I actually agree with your post for the most part. I think I confused some with the way I added a few extra names. What I was attempting to convey is that most teams in the NBA actually do have a franchise player better than Danny. I listed a few extra names like Deng, unfortunately, and that led some to think I placed him in the top tier. I tried to clarify, but apparently failed to do that. Anyway, I would say that Derrick Rose is still the better player unless he comes back a different player. I will give him that. Also, as much as I hate to say it, Carmello is significantly better than Granger. Bynum is better as well. Bosh is arguably better. JMHO.
      Yea, I understood where you was going with that, I just thought what you had posted puts true perspective of Danny's value as well. I have to say that I think Danny stacks up to Bynum and Bosh in a positional category. I think all 3 are in the upper tier of their position. As for Mello, he is better without a doubt, but wrong or right, I am one to think Danny is the better bang for the buck and as the Pacers will prolly never spend like NY is all the more reason to think this way. As I noted in my categories, I valued some players lower due to their bad contracts per production. If Rondo was getting 16 + mil, I would have not put him in the elite category, but at 11 mil per, wow, he is a steal.
      Last edited by Pacer Fan; 08-26-2012, 12:37 AM.
      Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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      • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

        Lot of you are really underestimating Granger here. Even some saying he isn't even the best player on the Pacers? Who is a better player on this team? Hibbert? He can't play more than 30 Min. He disappeared in the 2 series had major match up advantages. David West? I wiil grant that West was a very good player for us, but realistically he did exactly what he was brought here to do, take pressure off Danny Granger. West was very efficient, but he wasn't being run as a #1 option either. #! options players are just not very efficient. Like it or not Danny Granger is the best player on this team. The only proof you need is the epic collapse this team suffered when Granger hurt his ankle against Miami.
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        • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

          Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
          Lot of you are really underestimating Granger here. Even some saying he isn't even the best player on the Pacers? Who is a better player on this team? Hibbert? He can't play more than 30 Min. He disappeared in the 2 series had major match up advantages. David West? I wiil grant that West was a very good player for us, but realistically he did exactly what he was brought here to do, take pressure off Danny Granger. West was very efficient, but he wasn't being run as a #1 option either. #! options players are just not very efficient. Like it or not Danny Granger is the best player on this team. The only proof you need is the epic collapse this team suffered when Granger hurt his ankle against Miami.
          I don't disagree that people are underrating Danny, we've seen every game of his for 7 years or whatever it's bound to happen, but West is the best player on the team. Guys forget, discount, whatever, that he was coming off a major knee injury. Then he got healthy(ier) and became extremely efficient, look at his April #s. West should be our go to guy from day one next year.

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          • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

            Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
            I don't disagree that people are underrating Danny, we've seen every game of his for 7 years or whatever it's bound to happen, but West is the best player on the team. Guys forget, discount, whatever, that he was coming off a major knee injury. Then he got healthy(ier) and became extremely efficient, look at his April #s. West should be our go to guy from day one next year.
            West may be our best offensive player (I am not even 100% sure about that but for arguments sake let's just say he is) but there is just no way he can be considered our best overall player due to the fact that he is a liabilty on defense. Very poor lateral movement & virtually no leaping ability.


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            • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

              Originally posted by Peck View Post
              West may be our best offensive player (I am not even 100% sure about that but for arguments sake let's just say he is) but there is just no way he can be considered our best overall player due to the fact that he is a liabilty on defense. Very poor lateral movement & virtually no leaping ability.
              I would actually agree with the statement "David West is the most important player on the team". Roy's improvement is partly credited to the fact that he has West on the floor. And with that his vocal leadership has been lacking since............Seriously when? Is David West the best vocal leader since Mark Jackson?

              So while I agree that West is not the most skilled or diverse player. He is crucial to the success of the Pacers this season. Far more crucial than any other Pacer IMO.

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              • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

                Try taking Roy off this team and see what it does to our defense. I hope you all know it would be a layup and-one drill if it weren't for him. Defense is half of this game guys.

                We have guys like West, Hibbert, George and Hill to shoot. None are good as Danny, but without Hibbert on defense we are really, really exposed. Tyler and DWest are not stopping anybody.

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                • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

                  A guy that averages 12 and 6 and plays no D is the Pacers best player? Lol.
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                  • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

                    Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                    Lot of you are really underestimating Granger here. Even some saying he isn't even the best player on the Pacers? Who is a better player on this team? Hibbert? He can't play more than 30 Min. He disappeared in the 2 series had major match up advantages. David West? I wiil grant that West was a very good player for us, but realistically he did exactly what he was brought here to do, take pressure off Danny Granger. West was very efficient, but he wasn't being run as a #1 option either. #! options players are just not very efficient. Like it or not Danny Granger is the best player on this team. The only proof you need is the epic collapse this team suffered when Granger hurt his ankle against Miami.
                    Hibbert is the Pacers best player and the most important one.
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                    • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

                      Originally posted by mattie View Post
                      Haha, that's a pretty funny list.

                      I can't get over how bad that is. I mean if you were to compare Danny's peers in both JJ and Deng, it'd be hard looking at the numbers to come up with any other conclusion that Danny is better than both. He's an equal defender (actually JJ is a pretty damn good defender at times, so hard to answer that one completely) and he's a better more efficient scorer than both. No really.
                      This is why it's pointless debating with mattie. Joe was an all star who had one of his best offensive seasons. His stats beat Danny's across the board. No reasonable person can look at these numbers and come to the conclusion that Joe had a worse year offensively, but somehow mattie does. He thinks he can just cherry pick a few of his favorite advanced stats (PER, ORtg, etc.) and with them prove without a doubt Danny was better. It makes absolutely no sense. There's more to the game then a few of his favorite statistics. It's annoying enough that he thinks his stats carry so much more weight then others, but then he goes on telling us that if we read the stats differently or have differing opinions than his, we're the dumbasses that don't understand the game. Kinda ironic don't cha think?

                      Here are some stats you should use to compare their offensive production long before Mattie's Fave Three.

                      usg% - Danny 25.9% / Joe 24.9%
                      FGA - Danny 16.4 / Joe 15.8
                      FG% - Danny .416 / Joe .454
                      3P% - Danny .381 / Joe .388
                      AST - Danny 1.9 / Joe 3.9
                      AST% - Danny 9.7% / Joe 19.7%
                      TOV% - Danny 9.3% / Joe 10.3%
                      TS% - Danny .542 / Joe .557
                      EFG% - Danny .481 / Joe .521 (EFG% > TS% imo but Joe still beats danny in both)

                      Sooo... who do you think's was the better offensive player last year, Joe or Danny?
                      Last edited by CJ Jones; 08-26-2012, 10:28 AM.

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                      • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

                        Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                        Hibbert is the Pacers best player and the most important one.

                        If Hibbert was the best player then he would have stepped it up once Granger went out in game 5 vs the Heat. Same with West. They are important players, but they are not the best players on this team. Nobody stepped it up, the entire team collapsed and got blown out.
                        You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                        • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

                          Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                          If Hibbert was the best player then he would have stepped it up once Granger went out in game 5 vs the Heat. Same with West. They are important players, but they are not the best players on this team. Nobody stepped it up, the entire team collapsed and got blown out.
                          The team was getting blown out with or without Danny, Lebron and Wade were playing out of their minds.
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                          • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

                            Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                            If Hibbert was the best player then he would have stepped it up once Granger went out in game 5 vs the Heat. Same with West. They are important players, but they are not the best players on this team. Nobody stepped it up, the entire team collapsed and got blown out.
                            Take a look at Danny's playoff stats... they're beyond terrible. Of course LeBron guarded him, but nearly half the games he had Turk or Q Rich guarding him. I honestly didn't realize how bad he played until I looked a few weeks after the season.

                            IMO Hibbert's the best overall player, and West is the most important player offensively. I expect big numbers from West this year as long as he can get the minutes and shots. He should be healthier, and I think the PG combination of Hill/DJ will be better for him than the Collison/Hill combo was.

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                            • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

                              Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post
                              Take a look at Danny's playoff stats... they're beyond terrible. Of course LeBron guarded him, but nearly half the games he had Turk or Q Rich guarding him. I honestly didn't realize how bad he played until I looked a few weeks after the season.

                              IMO Hibbert's the best overall player, and West is the most important player offensively. I expect big numbers from West this year as long as he can get the minutes and shots. He should be healthier, and I think the PG combination of Hill/DJ will be better for him than the Collison/Hill combo was.
                              Look at Joe Johnson's playoff stats, they're even worse and he faced a much favorable matchup offensively.

                              1st round of the playoffs DG averaged 21ppg. Yeah that's so terrible.

                              Joe Johnson? 17.2

                              Now overall their playoff averages were the same at just above 17ppg. But Danny absolutely struggled with Bron guarding him.


                              Also let's not forget, DG had finally found his rhythm in March and April last year. He was playing some of his best ball until that ankle injury hit him. Though he scored well in that ORL series, I thought he had lost the rhythm he was playing at previously.
                              Last edited by Ace E.Anderson; 08-26-2012, 11:23 AM.

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                              • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

                                Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                                The team was getting blown out with or without Danny, Lebron and Wade were playing out of their minds.
                                We only got blown out in one game though. Every other game was close throughout

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