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  • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

    Originally posted by boombaby1987 View Post
    Great post, I agree with most of it. I think Brandon Jennings being in the first tier is pretty ridiculous though. I think Ellis is in the second tier as well.

    I would trade Granger for everyone on that list except Ellis, Jennings, Bargnani, Pooh, Henderson, Stoudemire(contract), Johnson(contract). So in my opinion that makes Granger roughly the 20th best player in the Eastern Conference.
    I would trade him even up for any of the players you mention. The fact that two of them have big contracts doesn't mean they are not better players. They certainly are. I would trade Granger for Ellis or Jennings in a heart beat. So, perhaps he is better than the mighty Pooh but it isn't clear....... ... So, in reality, just about every team has someone better than Granger on their roster and many of them have several player better than Granger...... ...

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      • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

        Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
        Just looking at the East, here are some of the best players by team:

        1)
        Miami - LeBron James, DWade, Bosh
        Chicago - Derrick Rose, Noah, Deng
        New Jersey - Deron Williams, Joe Johnson
        Cleveland - Kyrie Irving
        Boston - Rondo, Pierce, Garnett
        New York - Mello, Stoudemire
        Philadelphia - Bynum
        Milwaukee - Monta Ellis, Brandon Jennings

        2)
        Detroit - Greg Monroe
        Atlanta - Josh Smith, Al Horford

        3)
        Charlotte - Gerald Henderson
        Washington - John Wall
        Toronto - Bargnani
        Orlando - Winnie the Pooh

        I think Danny fits in group #3 in terms of market value. Obviously, group #1 basically blows away Granger. An argument could be made that he's as good as Ellis, but I don't think that's true. Ellis is far more explosive offensively.

        In group #2, if Atlanta is willing to trade Horford...or Detroit is willing to trade Monroe for Granger...somebody please get on the phone right now!!!

        I suspect the only player we could acquire in these lists is Henderson. Wall is a highly valued young PG. Bargnani is a unique player who brings a different dimension to the court. IDK. I think Danny is near the bottom of the #1's in the Eastern Conference.

        ...btw, our depth and quality at each position is why we win games, not because we have one great individual player.
        Haha, that's a pretty funny list.

        I can't get over how bad that is. I mean if you were to compare Danny's peers in both JJ and Deng, it'd be hard looking at the numbers to come up with any other conclusion that Danny is better than both. He's an equal defender (actually JJ is a pretty damn good defender at times, so hard to answer that one completely) and he's a better more efficient scorer than both. No really.

        But see that'd actually be a decent debate. The funny part is the idea that Monta Ellis, who sucks, and Brandon Jennings who sucks even more are better than Danny. I wouldn't even take Brandon Jennings over George Hill, who's not even a natural point guard. What a ridiculous list.

        Stoudemire? He can't play any defense and at this point in his career his knees look like they've given out on him. But he's somehow better than Granger???

        Anyhow just know this BnG, and I promise this with all my heart- (take this as constructive criticism) NO ONE who actually understands basketball would ever take that list you made seriously. No one.

        Look at the guys who have all thanked your post and have agreed with you. That's your contingent. Those are the basketball minds who agree with you. Now I'm sure you'll come up with some response on how I just "don't understand." Yeah sure, whatever I don't care. I'm just telling you for your benefit. Your peers currently are VNZ and Olblu. lol

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        • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

          Originally posted by mattie View Post
          Haha, that's a pretty funny list.

          I can't get over how bad that is. I mean if you were to compare Danny's peers in both JJ and Deng, it'd be hard looking at the numbers to come up with any other conclusion that Danny is better than both. He's an equal defender (actually JJ is a pretty damn good defender at times, so hard to answer that one completely) and he's a better more efficient scorer than both. No really.

          But see that'd actually be a decent debate. The funny part is the idea that Monta Ellis, who sucks, and Brandon Jennings who sucks even more are better than Danny. I wouldn't even take Brandon Jennings over George Hill, who's not even a natural point guard. What a ridiculous list.

          Stoudemire? He can't play any defense and at this point in his career his knees look like they've given out on him. But he's somehow better than Granger???

          Anyhow just know this BnG, and I promise this with all my heart- (take this as constructive criticism) NO ONE who actually understands basketball would ever take that list you made seriously. No one.

          Look at the guys who have all thanked your post and have agreed with you. That's your contingent. Those are the basketball minds who agree with you. Now I'm sure you'll come up with some response on how I just "don't understand." Yeah sure, whatever I don't care. I'm just telling you for your benefit. Your peers currently are VNZ and Olblu. lol
          I really liked the first few points you made. The rest of it was just basically telling him he isn't entitled to his opinion.
          "The greatest thing you know Comes not from above but below" Danzig

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          • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

            Originally posted by mattie View Post
            Haha, that's a pretty funny list.

            I can't get over how bad that is. I mean if you were to compare Danny's peers in both JJ and Deng, it'd be hard looking at the numbers to come up with any other conclusion that Danny is better than both. He's an equal defender (actually JJ is a pretty damn good defender at times, so hard to answer that one completely) and he's a better more efficient scorer than both. No really.

            But see that'd actually be a decent debate. The funny part is the idea that Monta Ellis, who sucks, and Brandon Jennings who sucks even more are better than Danny. I wouldn't even take Brandon Jennings over George Hill, who's not even a natural point guard. What a ridiculous list.

            Stoudemire? He can't play any defense and at this point in his career his knees look like they've given out on him. But he's somehow better than Granger???

            Anyhow just know this BnG, and I promise this with all my heart- (take this as constructive criticism) NO ONE who actually understands basketball would ever take that list you made seriously. No one.

            Look at the guys who have all thanked your post and have agreed with you. That's your contingent. Those are the basketball minds who agree with you. Now I'm sure you'll come up with some response on how I just "don't understand." Yeah sure, whatever I don't care. I'm just telling you for your benefit. Your peers currently are VNZ and Olblu. lol
            You misunderstand the grouping and you don't need to be so condescending. I'm not saying Danny isn't better than Deng. I'm saying Derrick Rose is and I simply added a few additional players to those teams to show just how much talent is out there. Try reading the context of the post before railing on someone. The point is, Danny is at the low end in the Eastern Conference for #1's. He's not even the #1 on the Pacers...so there's yet another team.

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            • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

              Just to boil this down for those who like to take pot shots, who do you think from this list we could acquire for Granger? Keep in mind there were people claiming he was well into the top half of the league in terms of being a #1 player. I count only 4 out of 15 and that's giving the benefit of the doubt in a couple cases. It's not even a debate in the others.

              Roy Hibbert - he counts too
              LeBron James
              Derrick Rose
              Deron Williams
              Kyrie Irving
              Rondo
              Mello
              Bynum
              Monta Ellis*
              Greg Monroe
              Al Horford
              Gerald Henderson*
              John Wall
              Bargnani*
              Orlando*

              Edit: just to clarify this list...and no it's not perfect...these are the players I believe are the best on their respective teams in the Eastern Conference. Orlando I just left off really. I could have put put Winnie the Pooh, Buzz Lightyear or whoever...we all know Danny is better than anyone down there in Magic land. But what about the other players. Pretty stiff competition. Those with an * may be obtainable but not anyone else IMO.
              Last edited by BlueNGold; 08-25-2012, 07:42 PM.

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              • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

                Originally posted by HC View Post
                I really liked the first few points you made. The rest of it was just basically telling him he isn't entitled to his opinion.
                No. It's quite popular on internet message boards to say, "it's just my opinion" as if that is all that matters. That is fine. Absolutely fine. There's just a lot of bad opinions out there.

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                • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

                  Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                  Just to boil this down for those who like to take pot shots, who do you think from this list we could acquire for Granger? Keep in mind there were people claiming he was well into the top half of the league in terms of being a #1 player. I count only 4 out of 15 and that's giving the benefit of the doubt in a couple cases. It's not even a debate in the others.

                  Roy Hibbert - he counts too
                  LeBron James
                  Derrick Rose
                  Deron Williams
                  Kyrie Irving
                  Rondo
                  Mello
                  Bynum
                  Monta Ellis*
                  Greg Monroe
                  Al Horford
                  Gerald Henderson*
                  John Wall
                  Bargnani*
                  Orlando*
                  Outside of LBJ, 'Melo Deron, and Rose, every player on that list could potentially be traded for with Granger as the main asset the Pacers would offer.
                  Last edited by mattie; 08-25-2012, 07:53 PM.

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                  • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

                    I'll give Granger legit #1 status props when he earns it. Not there. Had a couple season in early JO'B statistically, but has not done that yet for us as a playoff team. That means regular season and playoff quality and consistency.
                    I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

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                    • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

                      Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                      You misunderstand the grouping and you don't need to be so condescending. I'm not saying Danny isn't better than Deng. I'm saying Derrick Rose is and I simply added a few additional players to those teams to show just how much talent is out there. Try reading the context of the post before railing on someone. The point is, Danny is at the low end in the Eastern Conference for #1's. He's not even the #1 on the Pacers...so there's yet another team.
                      I'm not trying to be condescending, just pointing out how ridiculous the post is. You can't consider guys who cannot score as high a volume or even as efficient as Granger on offense better players.

                      You're obviously entitled to your opinion, I'm just pointing out how ridiculous that opinion is.

                      Glen Beck can get on the radio and say crazy ****. He has that right, but no one takes him serious. Get my point?

                      Edit - For the record I've obviously said my fair share of stupid comments, I just take care to adjust my view point if I realize everything I'm saying is just plain wrong.

                      Edit 2 - Lastly - I discourage anyone who wants to be lauded for sharing "just their opinion" when that opinion has evidence from every possible angle disputing it. Everyone WANTS to believe certain things. But we have to give that up if the facts refute everything we want to believe.
                      Last edited by mattie; 08-25-2012, 07:48 PM.

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                      • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

                        Originally posted by mattie View Post
                        Outside of LBJ, 'Melo and Rose, every player on that list could potentially be traded for with Granger as the main asset the Pacers would offer.
                        This is a cop-out. Of course we could acquire Horford if we gave them Granger and George Hill. BTW, Deron Williams is better than Mello. SF's are a dime a dozen.

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                        • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

                          Originally posted by mattie View Post
                          I'm not trying to be condescending, just pointing out how ridiculous the post is. You can't consider guys who cannot score as high a volume or even as efficient as Granger on offense better players.

                          You're obviously entitled to your opinion, I'm just pointing out how ridiculous that opinion is.

                          Glen Beck can get on the radio and say crazy ****. He has that right, but no one takes him serious. Get my point?

                          Edit - For the record I've obviously said my fair share of stupid comments, I just take care to adjust my view point if I realize everything I'm saying is just plain wrong.

                          Edit 2 - Lastly - I discourage anyone who wants to be lauded for sharing "just their opinion" when that opinion has evidence from every possible angle disputing it. Everyone WANTS to believe certain things. But we have to give that up if the facts refute everything we want to believe.
                          smh

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                          • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

                            Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                            This is a cop-out. Of course we could acquire Horford if we gave them Granger and George Hill. BTW, Deron Williams is better than Mello. SF's are a dime a dozen.
                            It's not a cop-out. It's just understanding how trades work in this league. No trade is ever straight up. There's always bits and pieces added to the puzzle depending on what direction each team involved in the trade is looking for.

                            I've expressed it before, but I don't even think the Pacers would have to give up Granger for Horford. I think they're looking to dump contracts, load up on picks and start over. That's just a guess, but they missed out on Howard, so they can only really start over since they really don't have much of a core right now.

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                            • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

                              I think we all need to work on being a little more polite to one another.


                              Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                              • Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

                                Originally posted by Peck View Post
                                I think we all need to work on being a little more polite to one another.
                                Agreed. I feel like I was ambushed.

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