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    Default Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

    There was also a whole thread of people telling me how much better Danny is of a defender compared to PG so the "Danny is the Pacers best defender" thinking is not a new thing.

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    Default Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

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    Danny "slacking on D" is old news. He played very good consistent defense all season. I always expected Danny's sometime laziness on defense had a lot to do with how the Pacers were performing as a whole and I was right. The Pacers really came together as a unit on the defensive end and Danny was easily the best defender all year.
    Danny was not our best defender last year. Not even close.
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    Default Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

    Can Danny be our best defender? No. He lacks the athleticism and focus. He can focus more, but then he will not be able to keep up with PG in athleticism.

    Besides I think Hibbert was the best defender last year.

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    Besides I think Hibbert was the best defender last year.
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    Default Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

    From one to five I rate the starting unit like this:

    Roy #1
    PG #2
    Hill #3
    Danny #4
    West #5.

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    From one to five I rate the starting unit like this:

    Roy #1
    PG #2
    Hill #3
    Danny #4
    West #5.
    Last year West would not have been 5. Lou probably, and maybe DC. Towards the end West was playing better offense, but horrible closeout offense. This year West could easily be #5. That is if Ian is not a beast.

    EDIT: Totally missed the starting unit thang. My bad.
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    Last year West would not have been 5. Lou probably, and maybe DC. Towards the end West was playing better offense, but horrible closeout offense. This year West could easily be #5. That is if Ian is not a beast.
    He was talking about the starters.

    And after Hill became a starter, West was unquestionably the worst defensive player of the 5.

    Which is saying something because Danny, while somewhat better last year than previously, was still pretty bad.
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    He was talking about the starters.

    And after Hill became a starter, West was unquestionably the worst defensive player of the 5.

    Which is saying something because Danny, while somewhat better last year than previously, was still pretty bad.
    Although every statistic suggests otherwise.

    Anyhow, you don't have to read any stats to remember Roy getting destroyed in pick n rolls all season. The fact that you think Roy was the best defender during the regular season is beyond ridiculous. That's embarrassing.

    Edit - Who are they going to come up with as the Pacers "best" defender??? I wonder. Paul George? The same guy who can't defend back up shooting guards? (JJ Reddick) Roy Hibbert who was absolute disaster in the PnR last season??? David West? Who's just plain horrible at defense??

    There are zero reasons to insult your fellow posters, everybody is entitled to an opinion even if it is wrong or if you think it is wrong.
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    I'm headed to work, I'll be back tonight so keep that in mind when you guys are coming up with your There is just no call for this type of comment comeback. Take your time. At least make it somewhat plausible. Please?
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    Default Re: Pacers looking to trade Danny?

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    Danny's main weapon is the jumpshot, because he doesn't have the athleticism or ballhandling to get inside more. I'd call it a physical limitation more than underachieving.

    He does get to the line a lot (see my earlier post) or at least he did in 08-09 and 09-10 (his 2 best seasons). Even last year, his worst scoring year in the last 5, he still got to the line at a fair rate.

    On defense, it could be that Danny just doesn't have the energy to go full tilt on both offense and defense. Very few players do. It's too bad but that's often the tradeoff you live with in your best scorer.

    I dunno, maybe we just mean different things by "underachieving". I think Danny's done pretty well for himself considering his limited tools.
    Paul Pierce get to the line a lot, Danny Granger does not. I know the recent numbers are comparable, but look at Pierce's numbers in his prime. Also guess I should clarify that Granger does get to the line, he just doesn't get to the line as much as he should.
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    I'm headed to work, I'll be back tonight so keep that in mind when you guys are coming up with your There is just no call for this type of comment comeback. Take your time. At least make it somewhat plausible. Please?
    There you go with your PERs again mattie. Danny's oppenent PER was 12.7, here's some weak defensive players who did better then that:

    7.7 - TMac
    10.1 - Dunleavy
    10.8 - Hayward
    11.2 - Galinari
    11.6 - Korver
    11.8 - Mello
    12.6 - Dudley
    12.6 - Rashard Lewis... and plenty more

    Cmon man, we can go back and forth your numbers till the end of time. (and i'm a newb at this )

    edit: I'd say this is also some pretty good proof of what I said months ago without even looking at the stats... SF isn't a very difficult position to defend once you get past the big 3. Not nearly as tough as SG despite the lack of superstar power.
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    Paul Pierce get to the line a lot, Danny Granger does not. I know the recent numbers are comparable, but look at Pierce's numbers in his prime. Also guess I should clarify that Granger does get to the line, he just doesn't get to the line as much as he should.
    Er, I'd consider Pierce in his prime to be elite in FTAs. His best season (10.3 FTA/g, in 05-06) was 3rd in the league, tied with LeBron and ahead of Kobe. And oh, among active players, Pierce has the second most FTs made and attempted (behind Kobe, and ahead of guys like Duncan, Nowitzki, Garnett). That's pretty elite in my book.

    So if you think that Danny should get to the line as much as likely Hall of Famer Paul Pierce, then yeah he falls short.

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    There you go with your PERs again mattie. Danny's oppenent PER was 12.7, here's some weak defensive players who did better then that:

    7.7 - TMac
    10.1 - Dunleavy
    10.8 - Hayward
    11.2 - Galinari
    11.6 - Korver
    11.8 - Mello
    12.6 - Dudley
    12.6 - Rashard Lewis... and plenty more

    Cmon man, we can go back and forth your numbers till the end of time. (and i'm a newb at this )

    edit: I'd say this is also some pretty good proof of what I said months ago without even looking at the stats... SF isn't a very difficult position to defend once you get past the big 3. Not nearly as tough as SG despite the lack of superstar power.
    First of all, I thought Gordon Hayward was considered a good defender?

    But more importantly shouldn't we compare apples to apples by comparing this stat between Danny and other starting small forwards who played similar minutes per game?

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    I just decided to look at bums first to compare Danny's numbers to see if mattie's arguement held water... it didn't. There are several more players, besides the ones listed, who play Danny type minutes and perform better than him according to 82 games. I didn't have time to list them all. It looks like he's middle of the pack among SFs. I should have left Hayward off the weak list, but it's telling that a second year, 21(?) year old player out performs Danny by 2+ points.

    PER's adjusted for minutes played so I think it's fair to throw in most of the guys I listed.

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    None of our starting 5 are perfect defenders, they all have major flaws, except for possibly Hill. Hibbert has trouble with the PnR, George can't get through screens, Granger lacks focus, and West just isn't a good defender (at least not last year). Hill is probably our most complete defender, but he is more of a jack of all trades player. On the flip side though Hibbert is one of the top defenders in the post, George is one of the top on man defenders, and Granger when focused is one of the better defenders at the SF position.

    If both Hibbert and George get past their weaknesses, and at least become adequate then they both would be elite defenders in this league.

    All together as is we probably have one of the best groups of defenders in the league. Just imagine how good it would be if George, Granger, and Hibbert fixed their issues.

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    Er, I'd consider Pierce in his prime to be elite in FTAs. His best season (10.3 FTA/g, in 05-06) was 3rd in the league, tied with LeBron and ahead of Kobe. And oh, among active players, Pierce has the second most FTs made and attempted (behind Kobe, and ahead of guys like Duncan, Nowitzki, Garnett). That's pretty elite in my book.

    So if you think that Danny should get to the line as much as likely Hall of Famer Paul Pierce, then yeah he falls short.
    Yeah but according to some people Danny = Pierce.

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    Danny was not our best defender last year. Not even close.
    Yeah, seems to me the Pacers had this big, tall brotha. He blocked lots of shots. Maybe I am mistaken in my mind.

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    Yeah but according to some people Danny = Pierce.
    At this exact moment in time yes... It's a toss up... And if PP regresses any more with his age Danny could easily be the better player this year...

    PP in his prime blows Danny in his prime out of the water...
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    Yeah, seems to me the Pacers had this big, tall brotha. He blocked lots of shots. Maybe I am mistaken in my mind.
    And he altered 10x as many shots as he blocked (I really wish that was a published stat)... His straight up form of D is a thing of beauty!
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    Yeah but according to some people Danny = Pierce.
    NOBODY in their right mind has said that DG = a HOF'er like PP...in his prime. Right now, it's very debatable bc Pierce has lost much quickness and athleticism.

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    NOBODY in their right mind has said that DG = a HOF'er like PP...in his prime. Right now, it's very debatable bc Pierce has lost much quickness and athleticism.
    Pierce in a wheel chair is still better than Danny

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