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    Default Pacers looking to trade Danny?

    I know, I know. Same story, different offseason. And it's a random blog that's never broken a damn thing far as I know. But still.

    http://blognbasketball.com/2012/08/s...trade-granger/

    You heard it here first…Danny Granger will not be a Pacer at this time next year.

    According to people close to the Indiana front office, management will actively look to move Granger this upcoming season if not next offseason.

    There are numerous reasons behind their thinking, both financial and basketball.

    Danny Granger is due $27 million over the next two seasons. Yes, he’s the team’s leading scorer and spiritual leader (see altercations with Lebron James and Dwyane Wade…oh and even Larry Sanders). However, he is no longer the face of the franchise, Roy Hibbert is. Roy, coincidentally, just signed a maximum contract (courtesy of the Portland Trail Blazers).

    It is conceivable to pay both players that much money, but the real issue is the future of swingman Paul George. While Danny is a finished product and one-time All-Star, Pacers management feels that Paul can exceed that in the coming years. His contract will be up in 2014 and Indiana is simply not going to let another team come in and outbid them for their homegrown stud. Also, George has been playing SG the past two seasons despite being more of a small forward. The longer Granger is occupying that SF spot in the starting lineup the more Paul’s growth is hindered. It’s time he assume his rightful position and grow into a star role, much like Danny once did.

    The Pacers have a lot of things they can accomplish with Granger’s money. The team still needs to improve their depth on the frontline to tangle with the rim-attacking Heat and the new Bynum-led Sixers. Power forward David West is on the decline (and will be a free agent next summer) while Tyler Hansbrough and Miles Plumlee are merely a step up from Jeff Pendergraph. Indiana lost Darren Collison this summer and replaced him with…D.J. Augustin, hardly an upgrade. Then they lost Leandro Barbosa while netting the mercurial Gerald Green. Other than keeping Hibbert, it’s been a very average summer in Indiana as they hope to grow from within. I agree, but you still need depth to get through an 82-game season and deep into the playoffs.

    Much the same way that Philadelphia recently traded Andre Iguodala and that Memphis continues to gauge interest in Rudy Gay, so will Indiana try and move Danny Granger in the near future. All three guys are talented star-caliber players…..but they are not the face of their franchises.

    To sum up: Roy Hibbert is the present, Paul George is the future…..and Danny Granger is just a well-paid scorer.

    That “star” money can be spent better elsewhere for a team hoping to take the next step.

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    We won't be able to get anyone to replace him. Unless Paul George explodes this season.. Which he could.. I simply don't want to see Danny go. He's not afraid. He's above averagely clutch. He lets the other team know we aren't gonna take whatever garbage is being dished out to us.

    I've made a comment before about loyalty to a franchise and loyalty to a player and what that can ultimately lead to. I think we're looking at one of the top 3 or 4 pacers of all time when all is said and done. And I wouldnt have it any other way.

    What more can we realistically hope for? We won't compete year in and year out for NBA titles.. We never really have. But what we can do is put a team together on the floor that I'm proud to watch compete. And think of how sweet it will be when we finally do get that ring. Don't you want Danny to be a part of it? People said the Florida gators would NEVER win a national title with Chris Leak as the starting QB (Tim Tebow was a freshman). well guess what? They did.
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    Same stuff we have argued about for the past year. No new material presented. Problem is that Hibbert is not yet an elite big man although he is paid like one and there is still a lot more "P" associated with George than there is consistent top-level execution.

    The only positive is that the author indicates patience on the part of TPTB. They might seek to trade Granger if Hibert continues to grow and especially if George makes a big leap.

    I don't think that would really surprise anyone, although it also equally wouldn't surprise anyone if the Pacers found a way to re-sign a much improved George while retaining Granger and also re-signing West.

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    Sure its a possibility, but its the same article written in a different year. I'll believe it when i see it.

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    In other news, Danny could be traded for someone much better than he is, but nobody is offering that. Plus, if a deal is remotely fair, it doesn't benefit us to trade a guy who loyally signed a deal with a small market team.
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    Trade him to Toronto for Ross and Calderon

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    If the team believes for George to reach his potential he needs Danny out of the way then the blog makes sense.
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    If the team believes for George to reach his potential he needs Danny out of the way then the blog makes sense.
    Paul loves Danny. Again who cares about positions 2-4.. Everything a player has an advantage in, someone else has that same dude beat due to said players strength. Paul and Danny go together like pb and j

    And I'm not saying that's not what you were saying... I'm just sayin'.
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    Paul loves Danny. Again who cares about positions 2-4.. Everything a player has an advantage in, someone else has that same dude beat due to said players strength. Paul and Danny go together like pb and j

    And I'm not saying that's not what you were saying... I'm just sayin'.
    Dude, I love em both, but Danny and PG are anything but complimentary. Offensively they're really similar. Iggy + Danny's a great (deadly, contender) combo, PG + Harden's a great combo, Manu + (anybody)Danny is a great combo. Two guys who can't dribble for **** and are best suited as spot shooters on a team that can't pass are redundant, not complimentary.

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    Dude, I love em both, but Danny and PG are anything but complimentary. Offensively they're really similar. Iggy + Danny's a great (deadly, contender) combo, PG + Harden's a great combo, Manu + (anybody)Danny is a great combo. Two guys who can't dribble for **** and are best suited as spot shooters on a team that can't pass are redundant, not complimentary.
    Thats how PG plays today, but it might not be how he plays tomorrow. I think he will be a much more dynamic player this season. If he cleans up his handles, he will be a beast of an attacker. PG is still finding his way offensively. This year the picture should be clearer on what he will become.

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    Thats how PG plays today, but it might not be how he plays tomorrow. I think he will be a much more dynamic player this season. If he cleans up his handles, he will be a beast of an attacker. PG is still finding his way offensively. This year the picture should be clearer on what he will become.
    Paul George is a 22 year old pro with 2 years of the highest level of professional basketball player under his belt. And he still can't dribble. I have no doubt he'll improve his handle. But I don't think it'll ever be to the point that you can rely on him as a break a guy down off the dribble and make something happen guy.

    If you want me to be honest I think now's the time to trade PG and his "superstar potential." I don't see the top end most Pacers fans (want to) do. I just don't think he's as special as most of us want to think. Strong ball penetration stopper that can get out and run, knock down an open jumper, and do nothing with the ball in his hands. That's a quality player, but it's not a face of a franchise.
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    Our front office doesn't talk to the media about trading our players. The author of that article is just doing some speculation that many on here have already done.

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    Paul George is a 22 year old pro with 2 years of the highest level of professional basketball player under his belt. And he still can't dribble. I have no doubt he'll improve his handle. But I don't think it'll ever be to the point that you can rely on him as a break a guy down off the dribble and make something happen guy.

    If you want me to be honest I think now's the time to trade PG and his "superstar potential." I don't see the top end most Pacers fans (want to) do. I just don't think he's as special as most of us want to think. Strong ball penetration stopper that can get out and run, knock down an open jumper, and do nothing with the ball in his hands. That's a quality player, but it's not a face of a franchise.
    I think Paul George is special. He has the potential to be one of the best wing defenders in the league and every championship team needs at least one elite defender.
    As a 3, Paul has good handles and great quickness. I can see him getting around his defender if that defender is taller and slower. He isn't undersized for a 3 and has great athleticism so I don't see why the size would really bother him.

    Who do you suggest they trade him for? It has to be for a player on a rookie deal with the same question marks about his potential or a proven player on a bigger contract that will be difficult to absorb.

    I just want to start the season with both of them to be honest and see which player might become available. The ones I like are either going to be free agent next summer or are on a team that thinks they are going to be good or can play 2 SGs next to eachother.

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    Same old speculation as before. Nothing's changed to make us want to move Granger more than in the past, I think.

    I will say though, that if we can pull off an Iggy for Bynum type trade, then I think it would be a no-brainer. Obviously we're not targeting a C like Bynum, but if we can trade Granger for a max worthy PF or SG, then yeah. Low odds of that, but Philly did show that it could happen.

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    Paul George is a 22 year old pro with 2 years of the highest level of professional basketball player under his belt. And he still can't dribble. I have no doubt he'll improve his handle. But I don't think it'll ever be to the point that you can rely on him as a break a guy down off the dribble and make something happen guy.

    If you want me to be honest I think now's the time to trade PG and his "superstar potential." I don't see the top end most Pacers fans (want to) do. I just don't think he's as special as most of us want to think. Strong ball penetration stopper that can get out and run, knock down an open jumper, and do nothing with the ball in his hands. That's a quality player, but it's not a face of a franchise.
    Paul George has gotten elite player potential hype from many sources outside of the Pacers fan circle.

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    Our front office doesn't talk to the media about trading our players. The author of that article is just doing some speculation that many on here have already done.
    He might be lying, or someone misunderstood, but he said this:
    According to people close to the Indiana front office, management will actively look to move Granger this upcoming season if not next offseason.
    So unless you want to call him a liar, he's not speculating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will Galen View Post
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    Our front office doesn't talk to the media about trading our players. The author of that article is just doing some speculation that many on here have already done.
    The Larry Bird front office was pretty good about keeping a lid on trades, but I'm not so sure on the Donnie Walsh front office model. However, I do agree that this feels and reads more like speculation.
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    Our front office doesn't talk to the media about trading our players. The author of that article is just doing some speculation that many on here have already done.
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    And regarding the article, trading Danny for a guy like Josh Smith makes so much sense but there is no way the Hawks are that stupid.

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    I'm perfectly fine keeping Granger and having him retire a Pacer, but there are a couple good reasons you trade him. One is because he will be on the decline when Paul is entering his prime. Danny will be 37 when Paul is in the middle of his prime. That might become important if this team ever starts contending because that process will not be just one year but we may be trying to contend for 5 or 6 years.

    The other reason is that Danny and Paul are too similar and really, they are both SF's. Neither have good handles and we really need guards who can handle the ball better than that. This isn't like Jalen Rose and Reggie Miller. Jalen had an excellent handle and could even run the point some.

    As for loyalty, does that really exist anymore in the NBA? If we didn't pay Roy Hibbert, he would be a TrailBlazer IMO.

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    If the team believes for George to reach his potential he needs Danny out of the way then the blog makes sense.
    To me, it doesn't make sense. (And you didn't say it, you were just naming a scenario.) So far, PG has had plenty of opportunities to step up and hasn't delivered that well. He's been clutch a couple of times, and not clutch several times.

    I'm concerned. Then again, I was concerned about Hibbert that he couldn't develop into what we needed. So I could be wrong. It happened to me one other time in 1997.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilive4sports View Post
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    Thats how PG plays today, but it might not be how he plays tomorrow. I think he will be a much more dynamic player this season. If he cleans up his handles, he will be a beast of an attacker. PG is still finding his way offensively. This year the picture should be clearer on what he will become.
    Have we heard anywhere that he is working on his handles? Has anyone, he or a coach, pointed out that is what he really needs to get to the next level? I'm just wondering.
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    Same old speculation as before. Nothing's changed to make us want to move Granger more than in the past, I think.

    I will say though, that if we can pull off an Iggy for Bynum type trade, then I think it would be a no-brainer. Obviously we're not targeting a C like Bynum, but if we can trade Granger for a max worthy PF or SG, then yeah. Low odds of that, but Philly did show that it could happen.
    Let's not forget that we could trade for a top level point guard as well. Hill and Paul slide down to the 2 and 3.
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    Paul George has gotten elite player potential hype from many sources outside of the Pacers fan circle.
    Exactly. That's why it might make sense to trade him while the hype still exists.
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    management will actively look to move Granger this upcoming season if not next offseason.


    OK that is from the first paragraph of the blog. What upcoming off season. We are right in the kiddle of this offseason, so does he mean next year or this year.

    After reading his first paragraph, I stopped reading

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