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  • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

    Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
    You may not like it but, in fact, I do exactly that. I will win this argument over the years just like I won the debate on who to draft, Luck or RGIII... You will never admit it but people will know it is true....
    In the hood argument, yeah you will
    Smothered Chicken!

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    • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

      Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
      I like the premise of QBR way more than passer rating. You probly would too if passer rating didn't support RG3 so well.

      Go read up on the two stats, you'd probly find the same thing. Passer rating is antiquated and full of holes.
      Fail.

      I hate stats, and suck at numbers (I balance my checkbook with software because I suck at basic math). That said, I could give two ***** which one is better. most people I know have argued NFL.com is better, but I could care less.

      So it has nothing to do with who it "supports" and everything to do with ESPN pimping their stat time after time after time

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      • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

        Okay, just because you admittedly suck at it and would rather be ignorant of the inner workings of them doesn't mean me suggesting you learn up on them is a "fail", lol...

        I can see what you're saying about ESPN pushing QBR... but..... it IS their website, lol. Can do whatever they want. The reason QBR was invented was to address the universally-recognized inadequecies of the "passer rating" stat.
        Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 10-26-2012, 01:07 PM.
        There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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        • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

          My fail was in response to this

          You probly would too if passer rating didn't support RG3 so well.

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          • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

            Originally posted by vapacersfan View Post
            I would pay money for ESPN to stop touting their stupid QBR stat.

            I have no problem saying you think one is better, but the QBR stat is annoying. Didnt Tebow lead the league in it last year?

            I know ESPN created the QBR, but do they really need to have an article pimp that stat two or thrice a week?
            He was 31st out of the 34 qualified.

            http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr/_/year/2011
            "I had to take her down like Chris Brown."

            -Lance Stephenson

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            • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

              Originally posted by vapacersfan View Post
              My fail was in response to this

              You probly would too if passer rating didn't support RG3 so well.
              And my response to that was, and is, that if RG3 was leading the league in QBR instead of passer rating, you'd likely find QBR to be a lot less "annoying".
              There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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              • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                And my response to that was, and is, that if RG3 was leading the league in QBR instead of passer rating, you'd likely find QBR to be a lot less "annoying".
                ANd my response was, and still is, that I could give two ***** less.

                My annoyance with it has nothing to do with who is leading, but instead how much ESPN pimps it out.....

                Then again, I couldnt give two ***** about stats. I care about one stat, and only one: wins and losses

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                • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                  QBR comes a lot closer to putting performance into "context", which is somethign I'm always pushing on these forums. Stats don't mean jack if you don't know the context in which they were achieved. Completion percentage is subjective to many variables besides just people catching your throws a certain percentage of the time. We all know this by now; the offensive system, the strength of opponent's passing defense, the complimenting running game, etc...

                  QBR tries to put stats into that context, which is why I appreciate it, even if it may not be "perfect". It's a lot closer than just plain ol' passer rating, imo.
                  Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 10-26-2012, 01:18 PM.
                  There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                  • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                    Originally posted by vapacersfan View Post
                    Then again, I couldnt give two ***** about stats. I care about one stat, and only one: wins and losses
                    Ah good, you appreciate Andrew Luck's .500 winning percentage over Robert Griffin's 43%, then.
                    There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                    • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                      All fine. Granted, to me I still think it doesnt account for taking the "smart" play over forcing passes. But admitedly I am not read up on it (and even if I was I wouldnt understand it)

                      Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                      Ah good, you appreciate Andrew Luck's .500 winning percentage over Robert Griffin's 43%, then.
                      For this week, yup. The beauty is that chnages every week for 16 weeks. Which is why I think it is nuts to judge anything until after the season (or at least until week 15 or 16 if no one makes the playoffs)

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                      • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                        Let me say this, Ol'blue is right, RGIII is having a better rookie season than Andrew Luck, that being said QB's like RGIII are better suited to succeed from the beginning instead of Luck. Andrew Luck is similar to most other QB's in the NFL, a pocket passer and other teams D can prepare for him easier, RGIII however is much tougher to game plan for because you can't do what he does, you can put a Receiver in to play QB but he won't be able to throw like RGIII, you can put a QB in for him in practice, but he won't be able to run like RGIII, but the longer RGIII is in the NFL the more teams will understand how to stop him and how to beat him, I just think it will simply take longer until teams figure it out, now does that mean Andrew Luck is a bust? No. Far from it, how can any rookie QB throw for 1,674 yards, have 10 TD's and put a team that was supposed to be 3-13 at 3-3 through six games be a bust? Andrew Luck has exceeded expectations and so has RGIII, They will both turn into great QB's and i personally guarantee that
                        Last edited by BlueCollarColts; 10-26-2012, 01:48 PM.

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                        • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                          The one thing that concerns me about RGIII is his toughness. I have seen Luck take at least 4 massive shots, and he got right back up. RGIII got hit once, which was a mild hit compared to Luck, and had to leave the game. Whats going to happen when RG3 actually gets hit?
                          Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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                          • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                            Actually TOTAL QBR completely accounts for making the smart play. That is why scrambles that result in a first down are weighted so much vs. forcing a throw on that third down or a called running play.


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                            • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                              Originally posted by BlueCollarColts View Post
                              Let me say this, Ol'blue is right, RGIII is having a better rookie season than Andrew Luck, that being said QB's like RGIII are better suited to succeed from the beginning instead of Luck. Andrew Luck is similar to most other QB's in the NFL, a pocket passer and other teams D can prepare for him easier, RGIII however is much tougher to game plan for because you can't do what he does, you can put a Receiver in to play QB but he won't be able to throw like RGIII, you can put a QB in for him in practice, but he won't be able to run like RGIII, but the longer RGIII is in the NFL the more teams will understand how to stop him and how to beat him, I just think it will simply take longer until teams figure it out, now does that mean Andrew Luck is a bust? No. Far from it, how can any rookie QB throw for 1,674 yards, have 10 TD's and put a team that was supposed to be 3-13 at 3-3 through six games be a bust? Andrew Luck has exceeded expectations and so has RGIII, They will both turn into great QB's and i personally guarantee that
                              IMO, this is one of the better posts I've seen on this topic. I think most informed people know Luck is going to be a great QB. RGIII needs to adjust his game to ensure he doesn't become Mr. Concussion as time goes on. If he accomplishes that and become a bit more traditional in his style, he could have a long successful career as well. But I don't believe he can keep running the ball without paying with more injuries, whether to the head or elsewhere.

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                              • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                                Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                                QBR comes a lot closer to putting performance into "context", which is somethign I'm always pushing on these forums. Stats don't mean jack if you don't know the context in which they were achieved. Completion percentage is subjective to many variables besides just people catching your throws a certain percentage of the time. We all know this by now; the offensive system, the strength of opponent's passing defense, the complimenting running game, etc...

                                QBR tries to put stats into that context, which is why I appreciate it, even if it may not be "perfect". It's a lot closer than just plain ol' passer rating, imo.

                                Well, it appears to me to be an "excuse" maker for a QB with bad stats. When EVERY posted poll lists RGIII at the top and Luck at the bottom, how can you continue to defend this stat? I'll go with the rating that SI uses and most newspapers and Yahoo Sports.... I appreciate your opinion but how wrong can you be? With any other team, Luck would have been benched already.... Do you think Shanahan would play him with those kinds of stats? Luck will be a coach killer and this staff will be gone in three or four years and we can start to rebuild all over again. Welcome to the good old days of Colts football.... PreManning....

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