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Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

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  • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

    Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
    Weird, I think the same thing about you!
    That is very wierd. Perhaps you need to see a doctor??? I worry about your health....

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    • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

      Here is a pretty good article from the NY Times website that sums it up pretty well for me. Luck has been fantastic, IMO.

      http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2...al-comparison/

      "Luck has thrown only 11 percent of his passes at or behind the line of scrimmage, while Griffin is in an offense that has let him throw 44 passes at or behind the line, accounting for 23 percent of his attempts."

      "Luck‘s average pass attempt has traveled 10.2 yards past the line of scrimmage, the longest average pass distance in the league (this was before “Monday Night Football”; Jay Cutler was second at 9.9 entering the game). Griffin averages 7.9 yards down field per pass attempt, slightly below the league average of 8.2."

      "And Luck’s long average pass distance isn’t simply a product of throwing lots of incomplete passes down the field. His average pass distance on completions is 8.6 yards past the line of scrimmage, also highest in the N.F.L. (Cutler was fourth at 8.3 entering Monday night). Griffin’s completions come an average of 5.8 yards from the line of scrimmage, well below the league average of 6.5."

      "Colts running backs have been targeted on just 7 percent of all Indianapolis passes, the lowest mark in the league. Conversely, Colts receivers have been targeted on 72 percent of Indianapolis attempts, the highest mark in the N.F.L."

      "In the same vein, much of Griffin’s production has come via yards after the catch. On average, passers in 2012 have gained 56 percent of their yards through the air and 44 percent on yards after the catch by their receivers. For Griffin, 51.4 percent of his yards have come via his receivers after the catch, the fifth-highest mark in the league. Luck, in large part because of his downfield passing, has gained 68.9 percent of his yards through the air, the highest percentage in the league, and therefore has been helped the least in terms of yards after the catch."

      Here is some interesting info on their running ability.......

      "Luck has only 18 true carries this season, with 2 of his 20 carries coming on kneel-downs. Luck doesn’t run very often, choosing his spots carefully. Despite only 18 true rushes, Luck has 10 first-down runs on scrambles, most in the league (Griffin and Michael Vick each have nine). Seven of those 10 have come on third down; no other quarterback more than 4 scrambles for 1st downs on 3rd down this year. Over all, 12 of his 18 runs have gone for first downs, while Griffin has gained first downs on only 41 percent of his 61 runs (excluding kneel-downs)."

      And this is their summary of the two......

      Conclusion

      "Both Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III have been excellent this year, but only Griffin looks great when examining traditional metrics. The above analysis isn’t intended to denigrate Griffin; if anything, it should raise questions about why the coaches in Indianapolis are making things so difficult for Luck. He has being asked to throw more deep passes and has made fewer check downs than just about any quarterback in the league, despite an extremely inexperienced set of targets after Reggie Wayne. He has also being asked to throw the ball frequently — he ranks third in pass attempts per game, the cost of doing business when paired with a below-average defense and an anemic running game. As a result, his completion percentage and yards per attempt averages are underwhelming, but it’s tough to say how well Griffin would do if the players switched teams. Griffin may have the highlight reel runs and the showy statistics, but Luck has arguably been even more impressive under considerably more challenging circumstances."
      "Don't get caught watchin' the paint dry"

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      • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

        I can't believe this is being allowed to go on here....

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        • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

          Originally posted by ilive4sports View Post
          I can't believe this is being allowed to go on here....
          What, exactly is going on here? I am a disenchanted Colts fan who doesn't care much for Andrew Luck. Learn to live with it, there are going to be lots more like me.... Take your censorship talk somewhere else....

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          • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

            [QUOTE=Taterhead;1514232]Here is a pretty good article from the NY Times website that sums it up pretty well for me. Luck has been fantastic, IMO.

            http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2...al-comparison/

            "Luck has thrown only 11 percent of his passes at or behind the line of scrimmage, while Griffin is in an offense that has let him throw 44 passes at or behind the line, accounting for 23 percent of his attempts."

            Don't all passes have to be made at or behind the line of scrimmage? What game are you playing?

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            • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

              That is where the pass landed blu.

              RGIII throws the shortest passes in the league, hence the gaudy %.

              Luck throws the longest passes in the league, hence the subpar %.

              It is really pretty easy stuff.
              "Don't get caught watchin' the paint dry"

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              • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                Originally posted by Taterhead View Post
                That is where the pass landed blu.

                RGIII throws the shortest passes in the league, hence the gaudy %.

                Luck throws the longest passes in the league, hence the subpar %.

                It is really pretty easy stuff.

                Silliness........ How about he just isn't a very good QB. If what you say is true, why isn't the coaching staff giving him other options to be more efficient? Could it be because they know it wouldn't make any difference......

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                • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                  Originally posted by ilive4sports View Post
                  I can't believe this is being allowed to go on here....
                  Yep. I was told a couple weeks back they had their eye on him. Yeah obviously. All he's done since I was told that was get caught making up lies to support his "facts", accuse people who don't like RGIII of being racist, claim he's waiting on the Colts owner to croak, bash Dale Davis for no reason, out himself as a non Colts fan, and basically do everything he can to disrupt the forum.

                  I was told to stop responding to him and to stop "backseat moderating". I tell you what guys, as soon as I see a little FRONT SEAT MODERATING, I'll stop.
                  Last edited by travmil; 10-24-2012, 05:49 PM.

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                  • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                    Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                    Silliness........ How about he just isn't a very good QB. If what you say is true, why isn't the coaching staff giving him other options to be more efficient? Could it be because they know it wouldn't make any difference......
                    RG3 pretty much runs the same exact offense he ran at Baylor besides the bombs. He throws screen passes all day. He doesn't throw deep balls ever. Luck does and completes the majority of them.
                    Smothered Chicken!

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                    • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                      What?

                      It is true blu. Those numbers from the article are easily verifiable facts.

                      Bruce Arians offense is very difficult for a rookie QB. There are these things called routes, and the type of route determines the difficulty of the throw. Tossing it to a RB out of the backfield is a lot different than a 15 yard out, or a post. The reads are harder, the throw is harder, the pass rush has more time to get to you, etc.

                      And the fact that they are ALLOWING him to throw those passes says the opposite of what you claim.

                      Luck is our only chance to win a game. That tells me he is pretty good.
                      "Don't get caught watchin' the paint dry"

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                      • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                        Originally posted by travmil View Post
                        Yep. I was told a couple weeks back they had their eye on him. Yeah obviously. All he's done since I was told that was get caught making up lies to support his "facts", accuse people who don't like RGIII of being racist, claim he's waiting on the Colts owner to croak, bash Dale Davis for no reason, out himself as a non Colts fan, lie about his location, and basically do everything he can to disrupt the forum.

                        I was told to stop responding to him and to stop "backseat moderating". I tell you what guys, as soon as I see a little FRONT SEAT MODERATING, I'll stop.
                        If he takes his show over to the main forum, he will get castrated.

                        The issue is that this is PacersDigest and many here are only Pacer fans. The Colts forum does deserve some moderation though. Maybe they'll give you or some of the others a deputy badge for this forum. OlBlu wouldn't last a day.

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                        • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                          LOL no there won't be a deputy badge. I know that. It's obvious at this point they don't want him gone, so I doubt if they would give anyone anything like that when the first thing that would happen is their pet troll getting hit with a 2 ton ban hammer.

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                          • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                            Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                            Silliness........ How about he just isn't a very good QB. If what you say is true, why isn't the coaching staff giving him other options to be more efficient? Could it be because they know it wouldn't make any difference......
                            You know, it's one thing to post articles/stats to try and support your argument but if this weak **** is all you have then just do everyone and yourself a favor and leave the board.


                            But before you leave, please share with us how you are able to drive an RV all around the country but still manage to make dozens of posts each day for week after week. I've wondered about that for awhile.

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                            • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                              Please don't ban oldblu, some of us enjoy coming here and arguing with "idiots" or "trolls" or whatever. It makes us feel smart. Besides, This board gets a little too damn friendly sometimes and it's hard to get a descent discussion going.
                              "Don't get caught watchin' the paint dry"

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                              • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                                Originally posted by LuckSwagger View Post
                                You know, it's one thing to post articles/stats to try and support your argument but if this weak **** is all you have then just do everyone and yourself a favor and leave the board.


                                But before you leave, please share with us how you are able to drive an RV all around the country but still manage to make dozens of posts each day for week after week. I've wondered about that for awhile.
                                The work that I do usually requires actual work of 4.5 to 6 hours per week making a presentation and interview to see if a prospect and my company is a good fit. Now, sometimes I travel 1500 miles to see these people I park the RV in the middle of an area where I am scheduled to work and then I drive the Jeep Commander that I pull behind the RV to go and see them. I am currently in the Washington D.C. area and I will run appointments from Pittsburgh, PA to Dover Delaware and down to the NC border. I have an appointment in Maryland tomorrow (close to Annapolis) and Friday, I will be in Virgnina Beach, VA. I will have the weekend off (I usually do my big traveling then) as we continue to see people in this area. I think you will see that I average 6.5 posts per day or so. More when I am off. Sometimes I can't get on for three or four days if I am running appointments and covering lots of miles. I have been in 32 states in the last year from Seattle to Miami. I have no intention of leaving the board and I post lots of stats to back up what I say. You can always find another set of stats that contradict any set of stats. That is the voodoo in stats... I don't see how it is weak to suggest that the coaching staff (that has already cost the Colts one game and just about did another) to find shorter release points for him to make him more efficient if they believe that would work. I don't believe it would because he over throws, underthrows and routinely throws behind receivers. I think he will do that at any distance but that is just me.....

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