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  • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

    Originally posted by Coopdog23 View Post
    No ESPN has Luck ranked 16th and RG3 ranked 18th. Luck is the highest ranked rookie in their rookie rankings with RG3 second.
    Here is an article that lists RGIII as the number one QB based on the QB rating standard they use. Luck isn't on the list.....

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...iii/index.html

    Please note the QBs this system places at the top. It is a list of who's who in the NFL..... Peyton is second....

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    • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

      If Jimmy Boy would've taken an active role sooner before Polian went senile or problems with the team became so obvious that fans and media alike saw them but it only fueled Polian's stubbornness to not address them then Manning would probably still be the Colts QB.

      We never should've have been so bad during the Manning era, particularly the last half of it, to ever even sniff the #1 pick even with Manning missing significant games due to injury/health. That falls on Polian and that kind of incompetence, laziness, or stubbornness is why Polian is no longer with the Colts. And deservedly so IMHO.
      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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      "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

      -John Wooden

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      • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

        Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
        Here is an article that lists RGIII as the number one QB based on the QB rating standard they use. Luck isn't on the list.....

        http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...iii/index.html

        Please note the QBs this system places at the top. It is a list of who's who in the NFL..... Peyton is second....
        So basically it has the same flaws as the passer rating but just rewards for rushing Td's and as far as I can tell its the only site that uses this rating.

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        • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

          Originally posted by DGPR View Post
          This morning you said you didn't think Luck was the worst quarterback in the league. And yesterday you said that you don't rely on stats like the rest of us. So tell me how you plan on lying and TROLLING some more. You aren't a Colts fan so quit lying about it. And I thought you said endorsements and advertising don't make a superstar?!? Will you really stop with the ******** and tell us you are really just leading us on for the fun of it? You are leading the board in excuses for ones self.
          It looks like its Bob Zagami in his avatar. Zagami is from the Boston area, meaning he's likely a Patriots fan. So OB is either Zagami or its his RV idol, and he's likely a Patriots fan as well. Which would make sense. He can't troll the board on the Patriots or with Brady anymore with Peyton gone. His next best alternative, troll the board's newest star QB with the the QB he'll be most linked to.

          Peyton :: Brady as Luck ::RG3

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          • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

            Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
            So basically it has the same flaws as the passer rating but just rewards for rushing Td's and as far as I can tell its the only site that uses this rating.
            I think that is about right. I hope with all of these posts I have shown that stats can't be trusted because someone will always produce something that show exactly the opposite of any thing else. When you come down to it, it is a fan thing. You are either a Colts fan or you are not. You are either a Luck fan or you are not. You are either an RGIII fan or you are not. I am a Colts fan (disenchanted currently). I am not a Luck fan and I may never be. I have become an RGIII fan and while I do not think he is the best QB in the NFL, I am pretty sure that RGIII is the best football player in the NFL and he is exciting to watch..... By the way, the talk about Brady and Manning has gone on for their whole careers and that will continue to be the case. I think Peyton did much more with less than Brady and he is the best QB of this era. Other people swear that Brady is even though he hasn't won a Super Bowl in a long time. RGIII and Luck are going to be tied to the hip their entire career unless one of them gets seriously injured....... That is good for the NFL. I'm not sure any of it is good for the Colts who have stripped down to the bone and it will take YEARS to rebuild all of that. I am not a fan of getting your QB before you have anything like a team around him. When they Colts drafted Peyton, they already had the base for the team that would win for years. I think RGIII is far closer to that situation than Luck is. I have not seen many teams start with their franchise QB with nothing around him succeed in doing anything but getting him hurt or ruining his career. There are many examples of this. But, that is just my opinion that I value very highly.....

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            • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

              Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
              I have already posted the stats that show exactly the opposite. Do you think that anyone outside of Indianapolis really thinks Luck is better than RGIII? Really? You folks in Indiana are being laughed at by the entire country.......
              This is ESPN stats evaluated by NY Times sports analysts so we are not talking about what people in Indy think. Obviously you didn't read the article as you don't address any of the points made and have nothing to say about it.

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              • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                I think that is about right. I hope with all of these posts I have shown that stats can't be trusted because someone will always produce something that show exactly the opposite of any thing else. When you come down to it, it is a fan thing. You are either a Colts fan or you are not. You are either a Luck fan or you are not. You are either an RGIII fan or you are not. I am a Colts fan (disenchanted currently). I am not a Luck fan and I may never be. I have become an RGIII fan and while I do not think he is the best QB in the NFL, I am pretty sure that RGIII is the best football player in the NFL and he is exciting to watch..... By the way, the talk about Brady and Manning has gone on for their whole careers and that will continue to be the case. I think Peyton did much more with less than Brady and he is the best QB of this era. Other people swear that Brady is even though he hasn't won a Super Bowl in a long time. RGIII and Luck are going to be tied to the hip their entire career unless one of them gets seriously injured....... That is good for the NFL. I'm not sure any of it is good for the Colts who have stripped down to the bone and it will take YEARS to rebuild all of that. I am not a fan of getting your QB before you have anything like a team around him. When they Colts drafted Peyton, they already had the base for the team that would win for years. I think RGIII is far closer to that situation than Luck is. I have not seen many teams start with their franchise QB with nothing around him succeed in doing anything but getting him hurt or ruining his career. There are many examples of this. But, that is just my opinion that I value very highly.....
                NO I get your point of view its just that your a fan of hyperboles. You make a lot of them see Cam Newton = QB of this generation post and this is why you are wrong more than right concerning the Colts. This team isn't as bad as you make it out to be and the RG3 isn't as good as you make him out to be. He is good but not world beater multiple championships good. He has one staple win against a good defense and Luck has the same.

                These few weeks will tell a lot of both. The steelers are a dangerous opponent for RG3 even if its without Troy.

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                • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                  Originally posted by Bball View Post
                  If Jimmy Boy would've taken an active role sooner before Polian went senile or problems with the team became so obvious that fans and media alike saw them but it only fueled Polian's stubbornness to not address them then Manning would probably still be the Colts QB.

                  We never should've have been so bad during the Manning era, particularly the last half of it, to ever even sniff the #1 pick even with Manning missing significant games due to injury/health. That falls on Polian and that kind of incompetence, laziness, or stubbornness is why Polian is no longer with the Colts. And deservedly so IMHO.
                  ​I can't like this enough. So absolutely true.
                  Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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                  • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                    Originally posted by speakout4 View Post
                    This is ESPN stats evaluated by NY Times sports analysts so we are not talking about what people in Indy think. Obviously you didn't read the article as you don't address any of the points made and have nothing to say about it.
                    I did read it. It makes excuses for Luck just like all of you do. I have run articles from different places that indicate that Luck is either the 30th or 31st best QB in the NFL. Do I believe that? No. Do I believe Luck is in the top five? Hell, no. Both RGIII and Luck rate between 15 and 20 in my mind. I give Luck the advantage over the two. For every article or poll you find showing Luck rated highly, I can find one that ranks him at the bottom. The fact is neither is true and the stats are distorted to make them say whatever anyone wants them to say..... I am not a fan of Andrew Luck. I have become a fan of RGIII who isn't the best QB in the NFL as some pundits and some rankings show but, I have come to believe that RGIII IS the best football player in the NFL.....

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                    • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                      Oh I get it. If it's a positive review by the media for Andrew Luck, then it's "making excuses" and incorrect, whereas positive reviews in the media for RG3 are "factual".
                      There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                      • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                        Originally posted by Suaveness View Post
                        ​I can't like this enough. So absolutely true.
                        So, do you think Polian would have drafted tightends at two and three when he needed offensive linemen? Everyone in the NFL knows Polian is a genius. The current coaching staff and management has been completely inept and has cost the team one win and almost another...... They will all be gone in three or four years or less and we will have the staff that may or may not have the players to be competitive. Remember, I saw how Irsay performed pre Peyton. We are back to that mode and it was ugly and it will ugly again because Jim Irsay has no football knowledge and shouldn't make any of the decisions....... and this is all absolutely true.....

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                        • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                          Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                          Oh I get it. If it's a positive review by the media for Andrew Luck, then it's "making excuses" and incorrect, whereas positive reviews in the media for RG3 are "factual".
                          You don't get s***!!!

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                          • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                            Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
                            ... this is why you are wrong more than right concerning the Colts.
                            Yea, for someone who by his own words is "right most of the time", he sure is wrong a lot.
                            There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                            • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                              Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                              You don't get s***!!!
                              Weird, I think the same thing about you!
                              There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                              • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                                Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
                                NO I get your point of view its just that your a fan of hyperboles. You make a lot of them see Cam Newton = QB of this generation post and this is why you are wrong more than right concerning the Colts. This team isn't as bad as you make it out to be and the RG3 isn't as good as you make him out to be. He is good but not world beater multiple championships good. He has one staple win against a good defense and Luck has the same.

                                These few weeks will tell a lot of both. The steelers are a dangerous opponent for RG3 even if its without Troy.
                                I never predicted multiple Super Bowl wins for RKIII, Peter King did that, I just reported it. Cam Newton will be back too. Too much talent and physical ability not to be back. He will get a check up from the neck up and he will get back to being just what I said he would be, the QB of this generation.......

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