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  • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

    Originally posted by xBulletproof View Post
    Did you ask this when Peyton threw 55% in his first 4?

    Besides that defenses know Luck is going to throw more. He's thrown 177 passes in 4 games. RGIII has thrown 139 in 5 games. Teams don't gear up to stop the pass as much as they do with us. They can actually run the ball.

    Besides that I would love to see where the Colts stand in the NFL in drops.
    I would also. Only caught a few Colts games, but it sure seems the Skins can drop wide open passes w the best of them (of course thats true for our O and D

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    • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

      So you don't think some players are more prone to concussions than others? Or the fact that Luck is significantly bigger than RGIII might help him avoid minor, nagging injuries? I disagree.

      The hit RGIII took wasn't a a brutal one, so if I were the Redskins I would be very worried.[/QUOTE]

      The hit that Luck took that was incorrectly called for a penalty was also brutal. The fact is that Luck is taking more punishing hits than RGIII. It will catch up with him before the season is over..... ...

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      • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

        Originally posted by vapacersfan View Post
        This is plain stupid, idiotic, and ignorant at best.

        RG3 has been hit a **** ton this season, and the one time he doesnt get up (when he had a....you know....concussion) he is all of the sudden not tough and not a leader.

        RG3 is one of the best leaders this organization has had in a long time (when the last time you saw a rookie QB get as much respect from teammates as both RG3 and Luck do? Its atestameny to both of the you g men) and frankly i am surprised Rober hasnt fumbled/gotten hurt on some of te brutal blind side hots he has taken.

        I have no problem with some homerism here and there (hell i know i do it) bit effing JC what you just said well beyond homerism and well into pure hatred. Its an ugly luck, and to ve blunt it makes you look really uneducated
        Can you imagine Andrew Luck complaining about guys taking "cheap shots" at him? Neither can I. That hit Luck received I would consider a cheap shot and was correctly called as a penalty. Luck actually said it was his own fault and apologized to his teammates for getting sacked. He didn't cry or point the finger at his offensive line. This, my friend, is leadership.

        C dash, I predicted the Colts to get 10 wins
        Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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        • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

          Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
          Can you imagine Andrew Luck complaining about guys taking "cheap shots" at him? Neither can I. That hit Luck received I would consider a cheap shot and was correctly called as a penalty. Luck actually said it was his own fault and apologized to his teammates for getting sacked. He didn't cry or point the finger at his offensive line. This, my friend, is leadership.

          C dash, I predicted the Colts to get 10 wins
          You are the only person who has said that was a cheap shot and deserved a penalty that I have heard. All of the commentators said it was a bad penalty and just a good hit to Luck's chest. However, a couple of more like that or if it had been a head shot and Luck would be done. It is only a matter of time taking that much punishment. Many rookie QBs have been there. Carr, Couch and many others..... ...

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          • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

            It was a little too much helmet. Still, it's football. You have to be more aware of the pass rush. I suspect he will get better at that. He's already shown improvement in a short period of time. I think the guy is destined for greatness.

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            • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

              Everything OlButt has predicted has turned out be complete and utter NONSENSE as we all knew it would.

              Luck has led his team to game winning scores in each of the last three games and has wins over the 4-1 Vikings and the Green Bay Packers. RGIII has beaten two 1-4 teams.

              Luck is #4 in the league in QBR.

              So much of the Colts starting 0-8 and taking five years to be competitive.

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              • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
                Can you imagine Andrew Luck complaining about guys taking "cheap shots" at him? Neither can I. That hit Luck received I would consider a cheap shot and was correctly called as a penalty. Luck actually said it was his own fault and apologized to his teammates for getting sacked. He didn't cry or point the finger at his offensive line. This, my friend, is leadership.

                C dash, I predicted the Colts to get 10 wins


                Your right. How dare a NFL player (esp a QB) take offense to players intentionally trying to injure him, and the incompetent replacement referees who had no control of the game

                RG3 went out and took blame for all his bad throws after week one, after everyone was ready to anoint him kind of the world. This, my friend, is leadership.

                I believe RG3 also wipes his on ***.

                He also apologized for getting knocked out of the game and for not making a smart football play.

                Of course I am wasting my time because if the roles were reserved you would be riding RG3's jock hard core and blasting Luck.

                P.S. You better hope to whoever you belive in that I never get a quote of Luck complaining about anything....lest I be forced to bump this thread. Of course I will also be able to write your reply on how he is showing leadership and anyone who doesn't believe you isnt a real fan because Luck is the GOAT, even if it is only 5 games in..... or some stupid ish like that

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                • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                  Originally posted by hoosierguy View Post
                  Everything OlButt has predicted has turned out be complete and utter NONSENSE as we all knew it would.

                  Luck has led his team to game winning scores in each of the last three games and has wins over the 4-1 Vikings and the Green Bay Packers. RGIII has beaten two 1-4 teams.

                  Luck is #4 in the league in QBR.

                  So much of the Colts starting 0-8 and taking five years to be competitive.
                  RG3 has played out of this world.

                  Our GD defense has embarrassed themselves, especially our secondary.

                  A actually applied for a position as a LB or in the secondary, but I got a note from TPTB asking me to "lets please move on"

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                  • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                    Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
                    Can you imagine Andrew Luck complaining about guys taking "cheap shots" at him? Neither can I. That hit Luck received I would consider a cheap shot and was correctly called as a penalty. Luck actually said it was his own fault and apologized to his teammates for getting sacked. He didn't cry or point the finger at his offensive line. This, my friend, is leadership.

                    C dash, I predicted the Colts to get 10 wins
                    That was def a clean hit, and a BS penalty.

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                    • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                      Originally posted by xBulletproof View Post
                      Did you ask this when Peyton threw 55% in his first 4?

                      Besides that defenses know Luck is going to throw more. He's thrown 177 passes in 4 games. RGIII has thrown 139 in 5 games. Teams don't gear up to stop the pass as much as they do with us. They can actually run the ball.

                      Besides that I would love to see where the Colts stand in the NFL in drops.
                      If you read my past posts, I said that I think tha Luck will be great--ONE DAY. I think he's performing as a number one pick should, but no he's not elite yet. Hasn't played long enough nor consistently enough.

                      We do drop A LOT of passes, but there have been plenty of times where Luck has missed an open receiver. In fact there have been times when Luck threw behind Reggie only to have Reggie make a ridiculous catch. Again I'm not saying Luck isn't good--he's very good. But some posters act as if he's perfect and that Griffin is having a horrible or even an average season thus far, and that's not the case.
                      Last edited by Ace E.Anderson; 10-11-2012, 10:56 AM.

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                      • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                        Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
                        Leadership- Luck
                        Toughness- Luck
                        Decision making- Luck
                        Accuracy-Luck
                        Arm strength-even
                        Foot speeed- RG3
                        Arm strength? Not gonna touch that, but sounds a lil homerish lol.
                        Decision making? How is Luck a better decision maker when he has more turnovers? Doesn't make sense
                        Toughness? How do you measure toughness? Bc Griffin got concust and Luck didn't? Lol okay....

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                        • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                          Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
                          Luck just out played the MVP. If he isn't an elite QB, then he isn't too far behind. RG3 doesn't have a signature win. Luck gets drilled, and gets right back up like a man. Griffen gets popped, and he is out of the game. Luck is tougher and a better leader than RG3
                          Again how do you measure leadership? What has Luck done that Griffin hasnt showcased that shows Luck is a better leader?
                          Yes Luck is a BMF to get up and wink at a guy who just drilled him, but he isn't tougher than Griffin because he didn't get concust and was able to stay in the game.

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                          • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                            Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                            Luck has no run game either, so the defenses just throw defenders back in coverage. Skins like lead the league in rushing.

                            Luck has also faced 4 top fifteen pass defenses, while skins have faced one in five.

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                            Now this is something I can sink my teeth into!! Good stats here

                            I said earlier that Luck prob has the edge over RGIII, just not much of one. Stats and facts like this does showcase that Luck is able to move the ball. But I'd also argue that Luck has a security blanket in Reggie. The redskins lack a true number one WR right now.

                            But I will be the first to admit, these stats are IMPRESSIVE.

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                            • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                              Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
                              C dash, I predicted the Colts to get 10 wins
                              My bad. I confused you with Pacerfan (I think).

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                              • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                                Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                                I'm not saying Luck is small, lol, don't get all up in arms. Last I knew Luck was 10 lbs lighter, just saying. Joe said he was physically bigger, and I get what he's saying, he's just not using the right phrase because technically being 1 inch taller and 10 lbs heavier does mean you're bigger, lol. That said Manning has never been a strength freak or very athletic. They obviousky have different builds and carry their weight differently. Hell I bet Bob Sanders could own Manning in a brawl but that doesn't mean he's physically bigger.

                                Luck is just much stronger and athletic.

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                                I'm not disagreeing with you. In fact, I think we agree, but we're just misunderstanding each other. I'm saying that Luck is an inch shorter, but his build is bigger. He weighs 5 pounds more, and carries it more athletically than Manning. Luck is much more physically gifted than Manning.

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