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  • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

    Originally posted by Coopdog23 View Post
    Luck will be a starter his whole career and win 3 super bowls, while RG3 will not win 1. Vick had one good year in 2010, but he turns the ball over too much, which RG3 will do once his targets sign bigger contracts other places. If he didn't have a running game, he would be in trouble
    What in the world makes you think Luck will ever make the playoffs much less the superbowl. This is a very bad team.....

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    • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

      For those of you interested in schedule here is a look at whats ahead for both Luck and RG3.

      The Colts entered the season with SoS of 14th and the Redskins with a SoS of 24th. Now let me just say I am not a big believer in SoS numbers especially before the season starts but the schedule of Luck and RG3 drastically changes in the coming weeks.

      Luck plays..
      Titans
      Miami
      Jags
      Pats
      Bills
      Lions
      Titians
      Texans
      KC
      Texans


      RG3 plays..
      Steelers
      Panthers
      Eagles
      Cowboys
      Giants
      Ravens
      Browns
      Eagles
      Cowboys

      Statistically speaking it becomes much harder for RG3 and much easier for Luck to shine in the passing game IMO. The overall defenses of divisions really comes through in the next coming 9-10 games which should have a dampening affect on the early statistical output of RG3 and Andrew Luck should see a bump in the numbers.

      Now whether that translates to wins or losses thats anyone guess but it will be interesting to see how each QB performs under different schedules. Both by the way will be fortunate to see teams with injury concerns. The Cowboys put Sean Lee on IR and of course everyone knows about the Troy P. and Ravens Ray Lewis being banged up. This will dramatically increase the chances of the Redskins winning those games IMO but it will be do to the scheme of the running game that generates those points and easier throws for RG3. In the end I think the Eagles, Panther are winnable games with the Cowboys and Giants to be much harder outs. The Ravens at home could be a wildcard win but given the Redskins terrible secondary my guess is that Flacco wins on shoot out.

      For Luck he will see the Jags again with a hurt Blaine Gabbert and MJD which should spell pay back for Luck. The Colts also see winnable games at home with the Dolphins, Bills and Titans. The wildcard in all this is how the Colts run defense performs in remaining 10 games. The texans, Bills, Titans, Chiefs and Pats have all shown to kill their opponent on the ground. If the interior line stays healthy which arguably is a big if then the Colts should be atleast be in some of those tougher games.

      The good news is that Chapman is putting on some pads and may be a welcome addition to the NT position. Redding IMO is by in large the most important player on the defensive front so if he comes back healthy then I like the Colts chances to have a respectable record at the end of the season.
      Last edited by Gamble1; 10-24-2012, 12:38 PM.

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      • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

        Luck just started his career and you're trying to claim he won't ever make the playoffs?

        why don't you just admit to being a troll and kick yourself out?

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        • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

          Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
          Because he doesn't have to pass that much to be very effective?
          Kind of shoots a hole in the passer rating argument you've been clinging to, doesn't it?

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          • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

            Originally posted by Coopdog23 View Post
            plus, RG3 hasn't even had 200 passing attempts, he's the only QB that has started every game this year in the NFL who hasn't attempted 200 passes, wonder why?
            Just to add to that he hasn't even had his bye week and if you take out his yards after the catch he's only passed for 672 yards. Do the same for Luck and he has still passed for over a thousand and thats with having a bye week.

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            • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

              Originally posted by LuckSwagger View Post
              Kind of shoots a hole in the passer rating argument you've been clinging to, doesn't it?
              No. The fact is that all newspapers and most networks show Luck as the 31st ranked QB in the NFL. You can argue against that all you want but it is the truth. You can make up all of the excuses you want and it will still be true. RGIII is ranked in the top five and that is true too. You may not like these things, you may think the stats are skewed but it is the truth and the whole truth. Now, Suck with Luck and enjoy yourself. You will have years to enjoy it and RGIII will still be considered a great QB. Who is getting all of the endorsements? All of these things are signs that RGIII is a superstar right now and Luck is not....

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              • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                What in the world makes you think Luck will ever make the playoffs much less the superbowl. This is a very bad team.....
                In the division their in? They only have to beat Houston once.
                Smothered Chicken!

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                • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                  Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                  Because he doesn't have to pass that much to be very effective?
                  Because his RBs get him over 130 yards a game on the ground and he runs the ball for more yards than he passes. He's just an athlete, not a QB. I need to see more from him
                  Smothered Chicken!

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                  • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                    Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
                    Just to add to that he hasn't even had his bye week and if you take out his yards after the catch he's only passed for 672 yards. Do the same for Luck and he has still passed for over a thousand and thats with having a bye week.
                    Are we talking about RG3 or Luck?
                    Smothered Chicken!

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                    • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                      Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                      No. The fact is that all newspapers and most networks show Luck as the 31st ranked QB in the NFL. You can argue against that all you want but it is the truth. You can make up all of the excuses you want and it will still be true. RGIII is ranked in the top five and that is true too. You may not like these things, you may think the stats are skewed but it is the truth and the whole truth. Now, Suck with Luck and enjoy yourself. You will have years to enjoy it and RGIII will still be considered a great QB. Who is getting all of the endorsements? All of these things are signs that RGIII is a superstar right now and Luck is not....
                      Lets see do I go with the arcaiac stat that's dumb down for dumb people or do I go with a QB rating system that combines rushing Tds, yac, and penality yards into one comprehensive stat. Saying something is old doesn't make it better.

                      Originally posted by Coopdog23 View Post
                      Are we talking about RG3 or Luck?
                      RG3

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                      • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                        Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                        No. The fact is that all newspapers and most networks show Luck as the 31st ranked QB in the NFL. You can argue against that all you want but it is the truth. You can make up all of the excuses you want and it will still be true. RGIII is ranked in the top five and that is true too. You may not like these things, you may think the stats are skewed but it is the truth and the whole truth. Now, Suck with Luck and enjoy yourself. You will have years to enjoy it and RGIII will still be considered a great QB. Who is getting all of the endorsements? All of these things are signs that RGIII is a superstar right now and Luck is not....
                        This morning you said you didn't think Luck was the worst quarterback in the league. And yesterday you said that you don't rely on stats like the rest of us. So tell me how you plan on lying and TROLLING some more. You aren't a Colts fan so quit lying about it. And I thought you said endorsements and advertising don't make a superstar?!? Will you really stop with the ******** and tell us you are really just leading us on for the fun of it? You are leading the board in excuses for ones self.

                        "I've got an idea--an idea so smart that my head would explode if I even began to know what I'm talking about." - Peter Griffin

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                        • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                          Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                          No. The fact is that all newspapers and most networks show Luck as the 31st ranked QB in the NFL. You can argue against that all you want but it is the truth. You can make up all of the excuses you want and it will still be true. RGIII is ranked in the top five and that is true too. You may not like these things, you may think the stats are skewed but it is the truth and the whole truth. Now, Suck with Luck and enjoy yourself. You will have years to enjoy it and RGIII will still be considered a great QB. Who is getting all of the endorsements? All of these things are signs that RGIII is a superstar right now and Luck is not....


                          No ESPN has Luck ranked 16th and RG3 ranked 18th. Luck is the highest ranked rookie in their rookie rankings with RG3 second.
                          Smothered Chicken!

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                          • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                            Originally posted by DGPR View Post
                            This morning you said you didn't think Luck was the worst quarterback in the league. And yesterday you said that you don't rely on stats like the rest of us. So tell me how you plan on lying and TROLLING some more. You aren't a Colts fan so quit lying about it. And I thought you said endorsements and advertising don't make a superstar?!? Will you really stop with the ******** and tell us you are really just leading us on for the fun of it? You are leading the board in excuses for ones self.
                            I think only superstars tend to get endorsements but getting endorsements does not make you a superstar. You play makes you a superstar. I don't think Luck is the worst QB in the league and I don't think that RGIII is the best. I think they are both between 15 and 20 but I do give the advantage to RGIII. People keep talking stats so I show stats that back up what I say. What I say can be much different that what I really think. That is not lying, that is trying to get other people to really think too and not just blindly drink what you are getting from the Colts. I have been a Colts van since I was fifteen years old or a little before. I am very disenchanted with the franchise right now. I wish we had a different owner and different management. That doesn't mean that I am not a fan. Don't some of you wish we had an offensive line? There really isn't much difference. I am old enough to remember the Colts before Peyton Manning and I'll tell you that it wasn't pretty. The only thing that changed was Jimmy Boy hired the Polians and got out of the way and they got Peyton Manning. Now, the Polians are gone and Jimmy Boy is back being active again. That is a recipe for disaster and that is exactly what I think will happen. I hope every day that I am wrong but deep down I don't believe I really am..... Luck, I really don't care that much about him. He may be reasonable some day. I just see that we need 15 to 25 better players to be competitive and that doesn't count an aging Reggie Wayne (who has been the MVP of the Colts) and Mathis and Freeney. That is a lot of holes to fill. I know they won't do it in free agency. I don't have any faith in the current coaching staff or management to build the team through the draft. I saw them draft two tight ends when they should have known how desparate they were for offensive linemen and defensive players. So, yes, I am a Colts fan. I am just not a happy Colts fan right now.........

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                            • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                              Originally posted by Coopdog23 View Post
                              No ESPN has Luck ranked 16th and RG3 ranked 18th. Luck is the highest ranked rookie in their rookie rankings with RG3 second.
                              Then they are idiots...... Although I just said that in reality I thought they were both from 15th to 20th with RGIII have a decided advantage over Luck......

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                              • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                                Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                                Then they are idiots...... Although I just said that in reality I thought they were both from 15th to 20th with RGIII have a decided advantage over Luck......
                                Luck is better than RG3, thats the fact. RG3 has so much help around him. Offensively and defensively, the Redskins are way more talented than the Colts, even though the Colts would beat them if they played each other, but Luck has a one win team at 3-3 and RG3 has a 4 or 5 win team at 3-4.
                                Smothered Chicken!

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