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Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

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  • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

    Originally posted by vapacersfan View Post
    I dont disagree. I juat think its funny people are wuick to say RG3 has/will continue to get hurt. While ignoing other passing qb's who have been hurt just as bad, if not worse.

    Of course, some people are also predicting failure becausr od the ststem. While praising the Patrits. Who run a college, one word, simple offense
    No one is claiming other QBs don't get hurt.

    It's the CHANCES of getting hurt based on the style of play and the lack of sliding or going out of bounds at the end to avoid the hit.

    When it comes to risk of injury, I'd rather take my chances with a pocket passer than a QB that runs and doesn't know when to not go after the extra yard.
    Last edited by Swingman; 12-15-2012, 03:34 PM.

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    • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

      Originally posted by Swingman View Post
      No one is claiming other QBs don't get hurt.

      It's the CHANCES of getting hurt based on the style of play and the lack of sliding or going out of bounds at the end to avoid the hit.

      When it comes to risk of injury, I'd rather take my chances with a pocket passer than a QB that runs and doesn't know when to not go after the extra yard.
      Well the CHANCES have already gone down as he has already LEARNED his lesson on sliding.

      Granted he could get hurt running.....but so can a passing QB get hurt standing in the pocket.


      Kid, he has learned his lesson. He has already changed his style of play. Sure it would be great if he learned to slide on every play, and you better believe I am screaming that every time he takes off. However, that is not how he was groomed and obviously he is not going to change over night.

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      • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.


        http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/20...N6J/story.html

        With 1 word, Patriots’ no-huddle an NFL marvel

        FOXBOROUGH — Just one word can be powerful.

        Saying, “Help,” lets someone know a person needs assistance.

        “Sorry,” can immediately heal some wounds.

        “Stop,” could save someone from harm.

        Yes, just one word can be potent.

        The same holds true for football and the Patriots.

        When the Patriots’ offense is at its best and running roughshod over opponents — like getting out to a 31-7 lead in Sunday’s 31-21 victory over the Broncos — it’s when they are going with the fast version of their no-huddle offense.

        And against the Broncos, the Patriots ran it faster than ever. It was breathless with 89 offensive plays (second in team history for a non-overtime game since they had 94 in a 28-10 loss to the Steelers in 1989) and a franchise-record 35 first downs, the eighth-highest total in league history.

        The NFL never has seen anything like it, and it may never be the same.

        How did the Patriots run the offense that fast? What was the key?

        One word.

        Not one word to describe it.

        The Patriots operate their no-huddle attack most often using one word as the play call.

        More accurately, they use six one-word play calls a game.

        That word tells all 11 players on offense everything they need to know.

        Formation.

        Blocking scheme.

        Direction on run plays.

        Routes for receiver on passing plays.

        Shifts in formations.

        Snap count.

        Possible alerts and play alterations.

        One word.

        “I think the point of it is to try to get everyone going fast,” quarterback Tom Brady said recently. “So as fast as you can get the communication to your teammates, everyone can be on the line of scrimmage, then the better it is.”

        The future of NFL offenses has arrived in New England. And it’s thanks to the college game.

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        • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

          Interesting point from a Redskins fan on Extremeskins:

          Since football began it has followed a pattern.
          Offense innovates.
          defense adapts.
          Offense must innovate again.

          Predicting our offense won't last is like predicting I'll die someday.

          eventually there will be a defense that is developed that will stop this. And then the cycle begins anew.

          This is pro football. There's no such thing in pro football as a college offense. if it works against pros, it's a pro offense.

          As with any defense, the challenge is simple. Stop it, or shut up. Calling it a 'college offense' after it beats you doesn't change the result

          ~Bang

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          • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

            Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
            Like I've been saying, the first time these two dudes meet in a super bowl, is going to be absolutely insane.
            Originally posted by Swingman View Post
            taking hits in the pocket isn't nearly as dangerous as taking hits on the run, especially when you're jumping over defenders and trying to gain another yard instead of sliding or going out of bounds.

            Obviously both can lead to injuries but it's not quite the same
            Unless they are blindside
            Why so SERIOUS

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            • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

              Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
              Like I've been saying, the first time these two dudes meet in a super bowl, is going to be absolutely insane.
              Originally posted by vapacersfan View Post
              I dont disagree. I juat think its funny people are wuick to say RG3 has/will continue to get hurt. While ignoing other passing qb's who have been hurt just as bad, if not worse.

              Of course, some people are also predicting failure becausr od the ststem. While praising the Patrits. Who run a college, one word, simple offense
              Difference is in the situations he puts himself in, the way you can hit a qb in the pocket compared to the way you can hit them as a free runner are differnt. Also the Patriots offense is not that easy, just ask Ocho Cinco.
              Why so SERIOUS

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              • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                Originally posted by vapacersfan View Post
                Well the CHANCES have already gone down as he has already LEARNED his lesson on sliding.

                Granted he could get hurt running.....but so can a passing QB get hurt standing in the pocket.


                Kid, he has learned his lesson. He has already changed his style of play. Sure it would be great if he learned to slide on every play, and you better believe I am screaming that every time he takes off. However, that is not how he was groomed and obviously he is not going to change over night.
                Glad he is slowly learning how to reduce the risk of injury.
                Last edited by Swingman; 12-16-2012, 02:13 AM.

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                • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                  Bob Griffin is OVERRATED. Kirk Cousins put up huge numbers in that same offense.

                  Kirk Cousins for Rookie of the Year!!

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                    I've always said that Cousins is a baller. I think he's not as far behind RG3 as people think, and RG3 isn't all that he's cracked up to be. THe good news for Washington is... they have two pretty good quarterbacks. If RG3 was to miss extended time, I think they'd be pretty damn happy with Cousins, and you know what? They might be better.
                    There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                    • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                      That is comical at best, plain stupid to be honest.

                      Both players are good players, but no, RG3 is not "overrated". Cousins had a great game, but he did not run nearly the same plays that RG3 did. And for good reason.

                      It is funny if Cousins had lost this game this thread would be quiet. But now that he won a game people are in here touting that as a reason why RG3 is overrated and not very good.

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                      • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                        Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                        I've always said that Cousins is a baller. I think he's not as far behind RG3 as people think, and RG3 isn't all that he's cracked up to be. THe good news for Washington is... they have two pretty good quarterbacks. If RG3 was to miss extended time, I think they'd be pretty damn happy with Cousins, and you know what? They might be better.
                        I disagree, and highly disagree they would be better.

                        I do agree Cousins in a good QB.

                        I said on facebook today. I was pissed that we took two QB's, but so far it is making Mike Shannahan look like a genius. Of course Cousins started off rough, and had his bad patches, but he showed he could hang in the big time today.

                        Huge for him, and the team

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                        • Originally posted by vapacersfan View Post
                          I disagree, and highly disagree they would be better.

                          I do agree Cousins in a good QB.

                          I said on facebook today. I was pissed that we took two QB's, but so far it is making Mike Shannahan look like a genius. Of course Cousins started off rough, and had his bad patches, but he showed he could hang in the big time today.

                          Huge for him, and the team
                          RG3 and Cousins remind me of Vick and Schaub...hope the skins get that good of a package for him...

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                          • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                            Originally posted by Dgreenwell3 View Post
                            RG3 and Cousins remind me of Vick and Schaub...hope the skins get that good of a package for him...
                            Funny, I said that today (about trading Cousins)

                            Of course, one game does not make a QB one way or the other.

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                            • Originally posted by vapacersfan View Post
                              Funny, I said that today (about trading Cousins)

                              Of course, one game does not make a QB one way or the other.
                              Hopefully the skins do better with the picks though.

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                              • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                                Originally posted by Really? View Post
                                Dual ROY award this year.... I am calling it now.... Unless one bombs and the other explodes I think this competition is going to be considered even for this first year.
                                No way, Luck has been ok for a QB great for a rookie. However RG and hell even Russel Wilson have had much better rookie seasons. RG is clearly the rookie of the year it really shouldn't even be a debate.

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