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Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

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  • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

    Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
    Is there a stat that accounts for a QB leaving a game after a routine hit?
    Is here astat for posters who repeat themselves over and over again, even if they are wrong?

    The concussion hit was a big hit, albeit one he could have avoided easily.

    He has also taken some other big shots and bounced back up fine and ready for the next play

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    • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

      Originally posted by spazzxb View Post
      Need a winning record to make the playoffs

      Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2
      not always. Granted te ser is very you g

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      • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

        Originally posted by vapacersfan View Post
        not always. Granted te ser is very you g
        What do you think the Redskins record will be? I have them sub .500 overall given the schedule takes a turn for the worse now.

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        • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

          Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
          What do you think the Redskins record will be? I have them sub .500 overall given the schedule takes a turn for the worse now.
          7-9 but i am hoping 8-8.

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          • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

            Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
            Yep, completely agree. I think the argument *for* RG3 is that he's not as reliant on his athleticism as his "predecessors", as in he's intellectual enough to shift his game more to a pocket passer style game. And I agree with that to an extent, he probly won't experience a drop-off quite like Newton or Vick.... BUT.... I still don't quite see that he's reading defenses, controlling his offense quite like I'd like to see him doing. His game right now is still very much dependent on checking down to the dump-off receiver in hopes that the receiver will make a play, or he's taking off running with the ball.

            It's stuff like that that fire off red flags for me in trying to project his long-term growth. Those tactics certainly pile up stats *right now*, which is why he'll likely, and unfortunately, steal the ROY from Luck, but that stuff is voted on by people that don't look at stuff like that. They just get wide-eyed about yardage and completion %.
            All rookie QB’s have those growing pains. Much like you guys said, athletic QB’s are able to rely on their athleticism early on so they tend to have early success. Meanwhile pocket passers that lack the ability to run, scramble, and make plays, have nothing else to lean on except the mental part of the game. This is why most pocket passers have always been more consistent and better off in the long run than their mobile/athletic counterparts.

            There are however a number of mobile/athletic QB’s who have been able to make the transition from running freelancer to downfield pocket passer. Guys like Culpepper, McNabb, McNair, Cunningham, Steve Young, were able to pick up on the mental aspect of the game and become pocket passers who also have the ability to scramble and make plays with their legs.

            I believe RGIII is in this category. If you look at the way he throws the ball downfield, his throwing motion, his accuracy, his touch, etc…this is a player who has taken the time to learn the proper mechanics to be a successful QB. Yes a lot of his passes are screen passes and dinks/dunks. But when he HAS thrown it down the field, he hasn’t missed a ton (at least in the games I watched. I didn’t watch the Falcons game)
            Does RGIII still need to work on reading defenses? Of course he does. Every rookie QB does.

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            • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

              Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
              All rookie QB’s have those growing pains. Much like you guys said, athletic QB’s are able to rely on their athleticism early on so they tend to have early success. Meanwhile pocket passers that lack the ability to run, scramble, and make plays, have nothing else to lean on except the mental part of the game. This is why most pocket passers have always been more consistent and better off in the long run than their mobile/athletic counterparts.

              There are however a number of mobile/athletic QB’s who have been able to make the transition from running freelancer to downfield pocket passer. Guys like Culpepper, McNabb, McNair, Cunningham, Steve Young, were able to pick up on the mental aspect of the game and become pocket passers who also have the ability to scramble and make plays with their legs.

              I believe RGIII is in this category. If you look at the way he throws the ball downfield, his throwing motion, his accuracy, his touch, etc…this is a player who has taken the time to learn the proper mechanics to be a successful QB. Yes a lot of his passes are screen passes and dinks/dunks. But when he HAS thrown it down the field, he hasn’t missed a ton (at least in the games I watched. I didn’t watch the Falcons game)
              Does RGIII still need to work on reading defenses? Of course he does. Every rookie QB does.
              I think RG3 will have the ability to pick up the mental side of the game but this system he is running is a gimmick. I view it as a losing formula both from a growth aspect and as potential serious injury as well.

              They might transition out of it but I doubt it.

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              • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                Again, excuses to bolster a really bad QB. Any QB rating method that doesn't have RGIII, the Mannings, Brady and Aaron Rogers at the very top is Damn, that little SOB is really handy on this board...
                Yes, before Andrew Luck was even a junior in college ESPN created this stat to specifically bolster his stock. Those wiley *******s.
                Last edited by Trader Joe; 10-26-2012, 03:36 PM.


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                • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                  A Definition of "Forum Troll"

                  A "Forum Troll" is a person who posts outrageous message to provoke people to respond. The Forum Troll delights in sowing discord within a forum. A troll is someone who inspires flaming rhetoric, someone who is deliberately controversial, baiting and pulling people into a "flaming" discussion. Flaming discussions usually end with name calling, a flame war and at best a locked thread or in extreme cases a deleted thread.
                  When quality users stop coming to this website, the moderators will be too late to do anything about it.

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                  • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                    Originally posted by BlueCollarColts View Post
                    Ol'blue you need to read this, I think it will explain some things to you
                    I don't buy any of it. RGIII for as long as he plays will always cause problems for defenses that Luck will never be able to do. What I think he will do is to become primarily a pocket passer who only runs occasionally really picking his spots. You can throw for lots of yards as long as you chuck the ball more than any other QB in the NFL not names Brees. He only has 7 TD passes and 7 INTs to go with that. He has 3 rushing TDs for ten total after six games. He made 250 passes to get that. RGIII leads the NFL with 6 rushing TDs and 7 passing TDs. On only 189 throws in seven games. . He leads the NFL with a 70% completion percentage. Luck averages 6.7 yds per attempt. RGIII gets 8.5 yds per attempt. Do you know what you call that? Efficient. What do you call what Luck has done? Inefficient. There is really no comparison between the two. RGIII leads the entire NFL in rushing TDs and completion percentage. There really is no comparison between the two and Luck compare more closely to Weeden that he does RGIII. Now you all can make all of the excuses you want or all of the bizarre methods of calculating a good QB all you want but these are the facts. Read them and weep and perhaps it will explain a few things to you....

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                    • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                      Originally posted by bunt View Post
                      When quality users stop coming to this website, the moderators will be too late to do anything about it.
                      Well, I won't let you all bait me into name calling no matter how much of you do or how hard you try..... I post stats to back up what I say. Others here, just say something and think that makes it a fact.... I am not a troll and if the mods thought I was, I would be quickly removed..... What you want is censorship to remove little things you do not want to hear....

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                      • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                        Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                        Yes, before Andrew Luck was even a junior in college ESPN created this stat to specifically bolster his stock. Those wiley *******s.
                        Not his but other highly inefficient QBs like him. I have see no one else use this stat but ESPN and if it rates Luck ahead of RGIII, is seriously defective....

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                        • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                          Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
                          I think RG3 will have the ability to pick up the mental side of the game but this system he is running is a gimmick. I view it as a losing formula both from a growth aspect and as potential serious injury as well.

                          They might transition out of it but I doubt it.
                          It isn't a gimmick, it is a system he is comfortable running as he develops into a pure pocket QB. The Colts staff, on the other hand, do not provide Luck with any check downs so he is inefficient and he will be unless they make that change. That difference is the gap between a really good coaching staff and a very bad inexperienced staff... Again, it won't matter, we will be starting all over in three or four years with a new staff and a new system...

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                          • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                            I think that is about and that will be very good for a team with a rookie QB... I appreciate your posts by the way and I am sorry that the folks here just can't see without their Colts blinders on to see how good RGIII really is..... It is no slam to Luck to say that RGIII is much better. He is much better than a whole bunch of QBs....

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                            • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                              RGIII is no more likely to suffer a concussion than Luck is. Luck is taking a real beating every game....

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                              • Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                                Originally posted by Coopdog23 View Post
                                All in favor of an anti-OlBlu thread say I
                                Fine with me. How about a thread for overenthusiastic Colts fan who can't see past their own team? Oh, I forgot, this whole forum is about that....

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