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  • Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

    I'm going to start out by going way out on a limb and say that neither of these guys will turn into the next Ryan Leaf. Fair enough ??

    #1 & #2. These guys will be linked thru their entire career. Comparisons will always be made. Stats, wins, Super Bowls ........ everything. And yes - it is certainly quite early in their NFL careers, but it's not too early to start.

    Luck - 26-41 (63%), 363 yards, 8.9 yds per attempt, 2 TDs, 2 INTs, 87.8 rating.

    Griffin - 9-14 (64%), 119 yards, 8.5 yds per attempt, 1 TD, 0 INT, 114.8 rating.

    Stretch Griffin's numbers out and all the numbers are really similar. In Luck's defense, one of those picks should really be a TD (a completion at the worst), but things are what they are and it goes down as an INT for Luck.

    I guess at this point my only question is why Griffin hasn't played that much and Cousins is getting as many reps as Luck is. I haven't read or heard anything about it, but if they're calling him the starter already, shouldn't / wouldn't he be getting a little more time ?? No, I'm pretty sure he doesn't have it all figured out and doesn't need the reps. Hell, Manning still needs reps at this point of the season. Anyone know what the deal is ??

    We can add more fuel to this after Saturday's game.

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    Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

    I was a bit shocked that RG3 got so little playing time in the first game, but it seemed he played the right amount last week.

    I think we see him play 2....maybe 3 quarters this weekend, and then we see Grossman et al play Wednesday. Wednesday will be a junk game where I doubt the starters play more then 1 series, if that.

    To be 100% honest I think part of why they are not playing RG3 much is because A. He seems to be grasping the system pretty well and is progressing at a rate they like. and B. perhaps more importantly, and especially against a good Bears defense, our line was crap. To be fully fair we got hit with some injuries, but the line was beat on every series. RG3 was forced to tuck the ball and run way more then I cared to see, granted that is why I was happy he "fell" to us. I think that bad O-line will be a problem he will have to face for a season, or two, though maybe Heyer and some of the higher draft picks prove me wrong.

    Cousins has played well, and I dont think you were implying it, but Cousins will not start over RG3.

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      Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

      Originally posted by PacerDude View Post
      Luck vs. Griffin - let it begin.
      No, don't.
      "I had to take her down like Chris Brown."

      -Lance Stephenson

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        Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

        I could see RG3 turning into Ryan Leaf. Instead of studying the game, he is out there making commercials. Doesn't seem dedicated to me
        Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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          Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

          I don't think RG3 will be Leaf 2.0, but I still don't think he's on the same level as Luck, been saying that for months, while most of America bought into the RG3 hype. I see RG3 being.... Randall Cunningham 2.0, which is still not a bad thing.
          There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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            Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

            Here's an article from the Washington Post.

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports...s=rss_homepage

            Reading that, it almost seems like the RG3 honeymoon is already starting to dwindle... pretty nuts when a writer in your own city writes this:

            Yet while Griffin is seemingly everywhere, endorsing everything, Luck has yet to star in his first commercial as a professional. He is considered the surest quarterback prospect in more than a decade, but his efficient throws, superb footwork and cerebral approach to the game often draw a ho-hum response — a marked contrast to the Griffin mania in Washington.
            Sound a lil' somewhat like envy?

            The entire article, written by a Washington writer, does nothing but glow about Luck.

            Here's another Washington Post article, documenting RG3's "struggles" thus far:

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports...l?tid=obinsite

            Not a very glowing review.

            Very curious the utilization of RG3 vs Kirk Cousins, can't quite figure that one out.
            Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 08-23-2012, 10:17 AM.
            There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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              Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

              Redskins fans want so badly for RG3 to be better than Luck. They, like SD years ago, actually believe that they got the better guy. I'm really hoping this debate ends emphatically on Saturday
              Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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                Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                Took a few years for the Manning/Leaf thing to shake out, 'geek, and the gulf between those two was wider than the one off Mexico. Probly not happening in the 3rd preseason game.
                There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                  Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                  Originally posted by vapacersfan View Post
                  I was a bit shocked that RG3 got so little playing time in the first game, but it seemed he played the right amount last week.

                  I think we see him play 2....maybe 3 quarters this weekend, and then we see Grossman et al play Wednesday. Wednesday will be a junk game where I doubt the starters play more then 1 series, if that.

                  To be 100% honest I think part of why they are not playing RG3 much is because A. He seems to be grasping the system pretty well and is progressing at a rate they like. and B. perhaps more importantly, and especially against a good Bears defense, our line was crap. To be fully fair we got hit with some injuries, but the line was beat on every series. RG3 was forced to tuck the ball and run way more then I cared to see, granted that is why I was happy he "fell" to us. I think that bad O-line will be a problem he will have to face for a season, or two, though maybe Heyer and some of the higher draft picks prove me wrong.

                  Cousins has played well, and I dont think you were implying it, but Cousins will not start over RG3.

                  I could be wrong, but after watching the first two preseason games, It didn't seem like Griffin was grasping the offense much at all. The Skins were running pretty basic plays, screens, deep ins, and curls. Also, I didn't see Griffin directing people at the line, etc. Now obviously he is a rookie so he shouldn't be expected to do so many things so early. And with that O-Line, they may not be able to run many exotic plays simply because Griffin wont have the time to scan down field.

                  Cousins has looked very impressive to me. I was surprised he lasted as long as he did in the draft, and he seems pretty NFL ready so far. Yes he was working against 2nd and 3rd stringers, BUT he was still throwing the ball on time, to the right receivers, etc.

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                    Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                    Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
                    I could see RG3 turning into Ryan Leaf. Instead of studying the game, he is out there making commercials. Doesn't seem dedicated to me
                    Is this a joke?

                    Dude was working out all summer, was studying the Redskins playbook, and came to every voluntary workout....even the ones the coaches told him he really did not need to show up for.

                    Lord forbid he have a life and make a commercial, or 3.

                    P.S. I have seen a few Luck endorsements since he was drafted. Surely this is a red flag as he should be spending 200% of his time studying the game
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                    As for him, I think he has a lot of work to do, but he is also better then anything we have had in a long, long, long, long, long time. The fact he is mobile is a huge bonus, especially considering our crappy o-line (that is what happens when you ignore the link for 4-5 years of drafts). Of course, all of this is ignoring Luck also ran a pro system in college for 4 years. Luck has more experience running a pro system, and IMP so far has shown that
                    Last edited by vapacersfan; 08-23-2012, 10:36 AM.

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                      Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                      What commercials would those be, va? I've seen a single one, the Nike one from before the draft.

                      And don't get mad at us -- your own Washington writer is the one who turned up the heat on this discussion.
                      There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                        Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                        Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
                        Redskins fans want so badly for RG3 to be better than Luck. They, like SD years ago, actually believe that they got the better guy. I'm really hoping this debate ends emphatically on Saturday
                        Two points.

                        1. What Redskins fans do you talk to? Most fans I know (and since I live in DC I know quite a few....) respect Luck, hell must woulda loved to draft him. However, they want RG3 to pan out because guess what......we havent had a QB is over 2 decades. Lord forbid fans want a QB to pan out. I have yet to hear anyone say RG3 is better then Luck, though I imagine that debate is going on somewhere.

                        2. If you think pre-season success (by either QB) is the end all be all......then I do not know what to tell you. I would rather have a rookie QB win a few regular season games and progress and possible even make the playoffs, then have him go balls to the walls in pre season and look amazing and dwindle during the season

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                          Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                          Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
                          I could be wrong, but after watching the first two preseason games, It didn't seem like Griffin was grasping the offense much at all. The Skins were running pretty basic plays, screens, deep ins, and curls. Also, I didn't see Griffin directing people at the line, etc. Now obviously he is a rookie so he shouldn't be expected to do so many things so early. And with that O-Line, they may not be able to run many exotic plays simply because Griffin wont have the time to scan down field.

                          Cousins has looked very impressive to me. I was surprised he lasted as long as he did in the draft, and he seems pretty NFL ready so far. Yes he was working against 2nd and 3rd stringers, BUT he was still throwing the ball on time, to the right receivers, etc.
                          Cousins has impressed me. Very much so. But like you said he is working against 2nd and 3rd stringers.

                          This new "vanilla" offense is part of Shannys plan to not show our hand. Most fans I know seem to hate it so far. Open it up and get the kid experience.

                          Though to be fair, our line plain as day stinks. Not sure you can open the playbook when your line cant pass block to save their lives.

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                            Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                            'Geek is probly just a tad annoyed because, frankly, Indy and it's fans have taken a lot of heat for drafting Luck, believe it or not. I'd say 60% of the nation believed we should've drafted RG3 before the pre-season started. Lotta idiots out there. But anyway, we've had to hear it a lot. Probly a bit of an overreaction on 'geeks part, but hey we're human.

                            Go to any Luck article or YouTube video from before the pre-season started, and you'll see mostly "shoulda taken RG3" comments. It's stupid. Tunes are changing quickly since they've actually seen Luck in action in the pre-season however. Even the "experts" who predicted Luck would struggle mightily this year and predict RG3 would have a strong campaign are starting to reverse course in the past two weeks.
                            Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 08-23-2012, 10:42 AM.
                            There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                              Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                              Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                              'Geek is probly just a tad annoyed because, frankly, Indy and it's fans have taken a lot of heat for drafting Luck, believe it or not. I'd say 60% of the nation believed we should've drafted RG3 before the pre-season started. Lotta idiots out there. But anyway, we've had to hear it a lot. Probly a bit of an overreaction on 'geeks part, but hey we're human.
                              Which is understandable, but IMO it was a close call but most people saw Luck was better.

                              Even if everyone was calling to draft RG3 over Luck, no need to bash him because others called you idiots. People said we shouldnt have drafted Reggie.....yet we know how that turned out.

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