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    RGIII is good this year, but I want to see him next year, make sure he is not another Cam Newton

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    RGIII with a knee injury. Ugghh. Hopefully not bad.
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    RGIII with a knee injury. Ugghh. Hopefully not bad.
    And just like that I called it. He won't last if they keep him running in that offense.

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    RG3 is good but again the knock on him is can he stay healthy doing all of these crazy things

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    RGIII with a knee injury. Ugghh. Hopefully not bad.
    His leg flailed like spaghetti on that play. I couldn't help but cringe. Hope he's alright.
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    I hope he's OK. It looked pretty ugly. On the positive side for the Skins, they have only needed cousins twice this year and he delivered both times. What is with these rookie QB's? Every single one of them is contributing to wins for their teams.

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    I thought for sure it's his fibula, but now they're saying it's his knee. The entire bar I was at gasped on the replays.

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    He wanted to come back so probably is not that bad, I hope so.

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    Unfortunately I haven't seen very much of RGIII this season, but I've seen plenty of Luck. Early in the season, say the first 3-4 games, Luck had real accuracy problems and was bailed out *numerous* times by his WRs making fantastic grabs. He threw many very bad deep balls.

    I thought he'd turned the corner when he had a stretch of a handful of games where the deep ball seemed improved and his throws were on time and on target.

    However, the past 3 games he appears to have regressed and again is late on throws and off target, plus making some ****-poor decisions.

    I realize he doesn't have a great running game to support him and an average, at best, OL. Still, I am finding myself less sold on Luck than I was pre-season and earlier in the regular season. These ugly wins they're putting together are great right now, making it very exciting for the fans on the heels of the 2-14 year and generating so much optimism about the rebuild. But this won't last forever and they can't make a living on it.

    The guy has got to learn to pull the ball in and take the sack or scramble for what's available. And he's gotta improve on the accuracy or his career is not going to live up to expectations.

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    Truth is he overthrows some balls.Plus he really needs to cut down the number of his interceptions.He has many as his TDs.

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    I have a hard time thinking a rookie QB won't improve on that end of things. And let's not forget part of the problem is he has to hurry throws because the OL isn't giving him much time.

    The one thing I'm curious about is why there isn't some shorter routes and quicker throws in the offense?
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    RGIII tweeted this out a bit ago. Seems like he might be ok, or at least he thinks so.

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    RGIII tweeted this out a bit ago. Seems like he might be ok, or at least he thinks so.

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    I TVIO'd the game, still have not seen it besides highlights.

    Looked like he got hurt on a scramble where he was looking for an open receiver, not a designed run. Freak injruies happen all the time, even to QB's.

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    The owner of the team ought to do RG a favor and use him like a regular QB. Run when you have no choice. Otherwise pass and hand off.
    The owner of the team shouldn't have a damn thing to do with how RG3 is used.

    Now if you want to say the coaches should run him less, I agree. But they have cut down on his runs, and hopefully will continue to do so as the season progresses

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    The owner of the team shouldn't have a damn thing to do with how RG3 is used.
    Play to play no, but in general you could not be more wrong.
    He is the owner of the team and it is his money and his investment. He has everything to do with how RG3 is used.
    He hires the GM and probably has input on the coach also.
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    RG3 doesn't seem to have any clue how to conclude a play safely, he puts himself in awkward positions too often. This is the third time this year at least where people claim "freak accidents occur" in regards to an awkward RG3 collision.

    His sideline concussion; his helicopter hit a few weeks ago and now this play where his leg got bent in two.

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    I know that the "RGIII always runs" discussion has almost reached bandwagon levels but there is some truth in it indeed.I am not talking about if it's effective or not but strictly about the player's health.I can't see him lasting long in the NFL if he mostly does that.Word concussion springs to mind.If the coaches have toned them down,then that's very good for both the parties.

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    Play to play no, but in general you could not be more wrong.
    He is the owner of the team and it is his money and his investment. He has everything to do with how RG3 is used.
    He hires the GM and probably has input on the coach also.
    So Simon should also tell Vogel how DJ or PG should be used?Sorry but that sounds mental.

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    He needs to knee brace up on one of his knees like Luck does. Who cares if you're maybe not going to break a 70 yard run, Luck has shown you can still be plenty of quick and it will really protect you.

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    Play to play no, but in general you could not be more wrong.
    He is the owner of the team and it is his money and his investment. He has everything to do with how RG3 is used.
    He hires the GM and probably has input on the coach also.
    No, I am 100% point blank correct.

    General or not, Snyder has had his had to run the franchise. He failed. Miserably. We were the butt of many jokes. Point blank, we sucked.

    He hired Allen, then Shanny. Guys who are football guys. Sure, he can offer some suggestions, but using your quote "The owner of the team ought to do RG a favor and use him like a regular QB" that is the old Dan Snyder. The one who failed. Numerous times.

    The irony is he started meeting with Shanny once a week (Sunday night) after the Giants loss a few weeks ago. That is overstepping his bounds IMO, so short of telling Bruce and Mike "I want him protected more, please look into it" I would prefer he got sit down and let the pros do what they get paid for.

    Cause yes, it if his investment. But if is also the coaches and front officers investment.

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    RG3 doesn't seem to have any clue how to conclude a play safely, he puts himself in awkward positions too often. This is the third time this year at least where people claim "freak accidents occur" in regards to an awkward RG3 collision.

    His sideline concussion; his helicopter hit a few weeks ago and now this play where his leg got bent in two.

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    What, is there a limit of freak injruies to happen to a player now

    I dont even think he was hurt of the helicoptor, but those first two were stupid. I dont think there was anything freak about the concussion.

    This play was very freak, but I agree if he was running less there would be less chances for this to happen.

    Like I said, though, it looks like he got hurt on a scramble. Not a option or whatever the hell they call that play

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    Luck hasn't gotten injured yet, RG3 has. Luck is reliable and clutch.
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    Wish there was a way to change the title of this thread to Luck & Griffin let it begin.
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    Luck hasn't gotten injured yet, RG3 has. Luck is reliable and clutch.
    But RG3 is clutch, completes 12% more of his passes, throws the same number of TD passes, while Luck throws more than 4 times as many INTs, on passes that average fewer yards per attempt, and RG's passer rating is a whopping 30 points higher.

    I'd prefer Luck, to be honest, but to suggest that both of these guys don't show franchise QB ability is crazy. Luck has to greatly improve on accuracy and decision-making with regard to forcing throws, while RG3 needs to greatly improve on decision-making with regard to protecting himself from injury. Neither skill set is easy to learn, but both are doable.
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    Slick, Luck averages fewer yards per attempt because of his amount of throws. No one has thrown the ball downfield more than Luck this year.

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