Both have looked great so far and both will have nice long careers.
Both have looked great so far and both will have nice long careers.
I have been super busy getting our new house move-in ready, so I missed the first quarter, but what a game.
Once again it was not pretty, but a win is a win. And as much as I hate John Mara I loved the win even more.
Never woulda thought we would have a chance to win the division. I have been saying since the offseason I would be happy with 8-8, and I still stand by that.
PS. Love the clutch TD pass by RG3 Did not like the fumble by Morris, but he seemed to run harder and was mad at himself after that fumble. I love that kind of attitude in a young man!
Haven't watched a lot of RGIII.Does he mix his game or goes mainly for the running game(either by himself or hand the ball to the RB)?I know that Washington has a good running game.
RG3 is still running that college option offense... I just don't see it working long-term. He's still leaning heavily on those short check-down passes, designed runs and scrambles on first and second down. He does pick his spots to let a deep pass off. It looks pretty... but in crunch time and "money downs" he's not pulling off anything amazing. It's working now, but I just have concerns for the entire plan in the long run. It's like... the complete opposite of what Luck is doing.
I dunno... I think people go oooh and ahhh over his 60 yard dashes and his passer rating, but when I watch the kid I'm seeing more fluff and flash than I am real substance. Guess time will tell. I still say that Russell Wilson and Luck (with Luck being clearly in his own league better than anyone else) are the top two QBs from this draft, been saying that since before the season started.
Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 12-06-2012 at 04:04 PM.
His third down conversion is pretty bad. His third down and long is flat out terrible (11.8%). An argument can be made that he is not as clutch as Luck.
On a side note, he has to be the only rookie Qb that has fumbled twice in the redzone and got 14 points out of it.
I don't think anyone is their right mind would argue RG3 is more clutch, hell RG3 hasnt had the same opportunities. To me the TD pass at the end of the NYG game (both games, actually, if you want to be technical. Even though we lost the first one) were both very clutch.
I guess if we are basing clutchness off of 3rd down conversions then I would see your point. But to me clutch is wanting the ball in your hands in crunch time and making something happen. Reggie Miller at the buzzer. Boom baby. That is what I see as clutch.
Won't argue RG3 has been lucky on his 2 fumbles. However, like my coaches have always said, sometimes its better to be lucky then good. Right place right time.....
Diffrent styles, but he is getting positive results. Plus Luck ran a pro style offense in NCAA
If it doesnt work next year then I will say you were right, but right now I 100% disagree. Like when the wildcat came in the league, people do not like change and think if it is not "traditional" then it is "wrong" and "no good".
Frankly I dont give a **** who the best QB in the NFL is, or who the best rookie is (though I think Luck and RG3 are neck and neck, and I have Luck a little higher) all I care about is that we are one game behind the division leader. And have a serious shot at making the playoffs.
I will let everyone else argue if it is a gimmick or not, while yall do that I am going to sit back and enjoy the wins.
Yet the wildcat is still used
The Giants faced us twice, and still had trouble defending it.
12 weeks into the season, if it was all a "gimmick" then I would tend to belive NFL teams (with the help of all the film they have) woud have figured this out and stifled the offense.
Granted the Steelers really did, but the Redskins helped them with 10 dropped pases.
RG3's decision making, athletic ability, and Shannys ZBS and playaction attack is what is working. Shanny did this before, only diffrence is he is doing it out of the Pistol.
Like I said, other can call it what they want, I will call it a win and enjoy it while it lasts (esp after having nothing to cheer for the past decade).
Hell, the plays/passes RG3 made to beat the Girl is enough to get me as giddy as a school girl
That is a whole diffrent conversation. I am OK with the system now because it is working, but I would love to see him open it up a bit more. I hate the short dump offs, but you know what, so far they are working
Of course, part of the problem is all the injuries to our O-line and lack of receivers. I thin the coaches want him to make quick decisions, and in their eyes they like the quick dump passes and the receivers or backs making the plays to get positive yards.
Really? I could have sworn I saw it just last week, though admitidly I may be misremembering
I thought it was a WR end around, or fake end around pass.
Agreed it has fizzled out, but it is still used
There's really no reason to believe that RGIII and Luck aren't both going to be fantastic at this point. You can say both systems are a little gimmicky to be honest, the Colts can't throw the ball down the field 20 yards forever IMO, eventually Luck's going to have to exploit the middle of the field, right now Luck does not throw the 10 yard slant route well, just in the same way that RGIII has some issues with a couple throws. They are minor, minor complaints for two guys that are absolutely rewriting the level of what is possible for a young QB in this league. I think the Skins offense is already significantly less gimmicky than it was 4 weeks ago for example. Remember, Cam hit his rookie wall in November, both Luck and RGIII got better over November. If one of them was going to get "figured out" I think it would have happened. Cam was figured out last season, not this season.
I think predicting the downfall of either QB is a little petty at this point. There's no reason to compare them IMO, both guys are playing well and neither the Skins nor the Colts would swap one for the other and that's a fact. They stand on their own, yes I know the media will always link them, but we can rise above the media and just call them both stars. They are doing something we have never seen before, and I htink that is going to be the theme of their career. The shared greatness of the 1 and 2 pick, not a debate over who is the bestest.
Last edited by Trader Joe; 12-07-2012 at 01:51 PM.
The Wildcat was pioneered by a ****** coach with a really average pair of running backs, an old Ricky Williams and Ronnie Brown.
They are totally different than what Washington is doing with a fairly proven coach and a very good young rookie QB. The Skins are already showing more pro style sets than they did in Sept and Oct, and RGIII got better as Nov. wore on, just like Luck they are both learning.
Here's the thing, it's a matter IMO of when, not if, these two meet in the Super Bowl, that is going to be a crazy, crazy sporting event. Can't decide if I'd rather have them both being looking for their first win or if I'd like for them both to have a ring at that point, would be the most hyped super bowl QB matchup of all time either way.
I agree but 1 point:
Garcon has made amazing plays all season (minus his injury) and has only dropped passes in one game: The Pitt one. The whole team was dropping passes that game, though.
You may have bad memories, but he has made nothing but positive plays for us.
I actually saw a chart that shopped how "exadgerated" his drops were, but admitedly it was on a Redskins site (or the WAPO, I dont remmeber honestly) but point is he has produced for us. So far. And if he is our big "flawed big pursuit" then I will be happy. He is already 1000% the player that Fat Albert was
Last edited by vapacersfan; 12-07-2012 at 02:13 PM.
Garcon made me want to rip my hair out at times. He made some great plays while on the team but he was also the #1 culprit of losing focus on the simplest of catches. It might not be hyperbole to say that his 3rd down drop in the Super Bowl (which would of turned a 10-0 lead into a 17-0, or at the very least 13-0...though he was as open as a person could be and could of taken it for 6) cost the Colts the game (I'm sure most will say it is hyperbole, but whatever). It definitely changed the way the teams played from then on.
Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 12-07-2012 at 04:27 PM.
The redskins offense will peter out simply because its main component is rg3 being a running threat. That simply can't last if they want a healthy qb for 10 years.
Last edited by Gamble1; 12-08-2012 at 02:14 PM.