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    This thread is going to reach that "Brandon Rush is a terrible 3 point shooter" thread proportions if it's allowed to go on much longer it's going to be bumped for a good long while.

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    Luck is just now showing everyone what he can do. He is just going to keep improving. Watch out NFL.

    RG3 might be good, but Luck is going to be MVP and above good.

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    If anyone now claims that RG3 has had a better rookie season thus far, they need to be examined. Luck has easily surpassed him after today's show. Honestly, he was always in the lead, but the hype machine around RG3 clouded everyone's judgement, but the disparity now is starting to become gulf-sized.
    I actually thought RG3 played very well today, he just simply got no help.

    The line was constantly beat by a 3 and 4 man rush, the WR and TE's were dropping easy passes and screwing up routes, and penalty's [yet again] killed the team

    RG3 did not have a great game, (and he pissed me off a few times where he tried to be superman and could have gotten killed), but he made some good reads, stayed in the pocket the longest I have seen all year, and completed some tough passes.

    I am slowly seeing the same ole Skins, and it isn't the fault of RG3, or any one player for that matter. If falls on 1. injuries (which is a bs excuse in my book) and 2. the coaches.

    The team got their *** beat last week. It just did not seem like they could bounce back from that. And hats off to Carolina. They showed up to play, and they brought it every down for 60 minutes.

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    Are you saying that you weren't even watching the game?

    So...hating the QB (for absolutely no reason of his doing) and not watching them play = Colts fan....ok...
    Of course I was watching. Luck played very, very well..... I was only making fun of how much he has to chuck the ball.... RGIII would pass for 5000 yards this season if they let him have that many attempts....

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    Andrew Luck is so good, he made so many plays today and 433 yards passing? REALLY? Colts are 5-3 and playoff bound!!!

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    RGIII couldn't carry Luck's jockstrap.

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    So now he's going to attack Luck for number of passing attempts.....lmao.

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    Of course I was watching. Luck played very, very well..... I was only making fun of how much he has to chuck the ball.... RGIII would pass for 5000 yards this season if they let him have that many attempts....
    If RGIII was capable of that, he sure wouldn't be running around getting concussions.

    Fact is, RGIII had better start passing the ball more or his career in the NFL is going to be short. ...and I'm not talking about 2 yard passes he seems to throw. Guys keep getting bigger, faster and stronger but the brain's ability to handle the impact hasn't been changing. A couple more hard hits and he may be done...

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    RT @ESPN_Numbers 433. Andrew Luck has 433 yards passing today, the most ever for a rookie

    https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/sta...94103707426817

    Luck is terrible. Look at all the weapons he has and he only got 433 yards after already playing 6 full NFL games. He should have at least had 700 yards with that set of receivers.

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    If RGIII was capable of that, he sure wouldn't be running around getting concussions.

    Fact is, RGIII had better start passing the ball more or his career in the NFL is going to be short. ...and I'm not talking about 2 yard passes he seems to throw. Guys keep getting bigger, faster and stronger but the brain's ability to handle the impact hasn't been changing. A couple more hard hits and he may be done...
    He got one concussion....

    Oh, and he was passing the ball more. and running the ball more. Then our coaches decided to stop running Morris (who was having a beast game) for some reason. RG3 cant run, pass, run block, pass block, and play defense

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    Luck would have been even better if his receivers hadn't dropped the ball early and often. At one point early in the game the announcer was begging the Colts receivers to give Luck a little help. He did all that against one of the top defenses in the league too.

    Saw this on NFL network the other day, the only QB in the league that has been under more pressure this season is Vick. Vick's a 10+ year veteran and has not handled the pressure very well at all. Luck, a rookie, has excelled while being under unprecedented pressure.

    This is a heck of a QB rookie class. Luck, Tannehill, RGIII, Wilson, Weeden
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    If anyone now claims that RG3 has had a better rookie season thus far, they need to be examined. Luck has easily surpassed him after today's show. Honestly, he was always in the lead, but the hype machine around RG3 clouded everyone's judgement, but the disparity now is starting to become gulf-sized.
    I still think RGIII was playing better earlier in the season, but Luck has seemed to hit his stride whereas the skins team is imploding around Griffin. As well as Luck has played, our TEAM is playing well also. Defense not allowing a ton of points, RB's getting extra yards, etc.

    Griffin had the better first qtr, while Luck has pulled away in the 2nd. Should be interesting to see how both guys finish

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    Of course I was watching. Luck played very, very well..... I was only making fun of how much he has to chuck the ball.... RGIII would pass for 5000 yards this season if they let him have that many attempts....
    Well he threw the ball 39 times today, and barely broke 200 yards. Luck only had 9 more attempts today.

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    He got one concussion....

    Oh, and he was passing the ball more. and running the ball more. Then our coaches decided to stop running Morris (who was having a beast game) for some reason. RG3 cant run, pass, run block, pass block, and play defense
    Actually that concussion was his 2nd in less than a year. He had one last year towards the end of November at Baylor as well.

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    Well he threw the ball 39 times today, and barely broke 200 yards. Luck only had 9 more attempts today.
    those pesky stats..just aren't helping olblu's argument lol

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    Luck and Manning currently have 2,404 passing yards. I did a double take when I looked that up because I thought, there's no way their numbers could be identical after 8 games, but they are.


    Manning's career high is 4,700 yards in 2010. He's on pace to break that by more than 100 yards. And so is Andrew Luck. As a rookie.



    Luck is learning how to play in the NFL. The NFL is learning how to play RG3. The Colts made the right choice.

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    Luck and Manning currently have 2,404 passing yards. I did a double take when I looked that up because I thought, there's no way their numbers could be identical after 8 games, but they are.


    Manning's career high is 4,700 yards in 2010. He's on pace to break that by more than 100 yards. And so is Andrew Luck. As a rookie.



    Luck is learning how to play in the NFL. The NFL is learning how to play RG3. The Colts made the right choice.
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    I still think RGIII was playing better earlier in the season, but Luck has seemed to hit his stride whereas the skins team is imploding around Griffin. As well as Luck has played, our TEAM is playing well also. Defense not allowing a ton of points, RB's getting extra yards, etc.

    Griffin had the better first qtr, while Luck has pulled away in the 2nd. Should be interesting to see how both guys finish
    The only reason you'd think RG3 was "playing better" early on was because you weren't looking at the right stuff. I'm not trying to be condescending, because I used to look at the game the same way. I only looked at stats, and not context. You bought into the 'Skins gimmicky offense and west-coast/option hybrid, whatever-it-is "college" offense. The league *is* going to solve that offense. It's not a matter of if, it's when. It's already happening. I knew it then. I said the exact same thing before the season started about Cam Newton, when OlBlu was proclaiming him a superstar and greatest QB of this generation. Luck is not running anything like that. He's running a full-blown NFL offense and has been since day 1. I've been saying this for months. I'm not trying to hate on RG3, it is just what it is. I could see this coming by a mile. I've always leaned on the truest factors for gauging these guys --- mechanics, build, mental make-up, performance under pressure. I've been saying for months that I've *never* seen a quarterback come out of college with a skillset that equals Lucks. Ever. I knew it would take half a season for us to see the fruits of that selection, because of the factors that Luck was thrown into. I don't need to recount those obstacles because all we had to do was watch Pagano's post-game locker-room speech for it all to become clear just exactly what this team has had to overcome, on every level. And we're 5-3. I knew Luck was the best quarterback prospect we've ever seen in this league, and he's even surprised me with how good he's become so quickly. I know there'll be rocky days, but today was a glimpse of what kidn of performances he can put up.
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    Is this topic still being debated? Luck has been better all year
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    Been preaching this for months. See sig. Amen brotha.
    So RG3 god positive yards every time he ran the triple option (which I hated) and made plays he has been making all year.

    But because Carolinas D line was getting pressure with 3 man rushes (against our 4, 5, and 6 man protection) and our receivers continued to run the wrong routes and drop passes. Ignoring the defense getting torn apart in the pass game. Ignoring the fact our only playmakers are hurt or suspended

    Ignoring all of that. RG3 has been figured out and he is doomed to have a horrible end of the season because the NFL figured him out.

    Yeah, OK.

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    He got one concussion....

    Oh, and he was passing the ball more. and running the ball more. Then our coaches decided to stop running Morris (who was having a beast game) for some reason. RG3 cant run, pass, run block, pass block, and play defense

    "Robert Griffin III downplayed a rib injury that required X-rays following Sunday's loss to the Panthers.
    The injury occurred in the pocket early on, not on the helicopter play reminiscent of John Elway's famous flip. RGIII's X-rays were negative. "I'm fine. I'll be ready to go," Griffin said after the game. "No one is ever going to question the fight I have inside myself to be the greatest and to help lead this team to victory." Although Griffin is sore, he confirmed that he will face the Eagles coming out of the Week 10 bye." -Rotoworld

    He's taking too many hard hits. It's a matter of when, not if.

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    The excuses are already pouring in for RG3.---^ Not trying to hate, va, but you know I've been saying this all year. Luck lost about 5 catches today and still put up almost 450. He lost one surefire TD in teh end zone for 40+ yards. And it's not like Carolina's D is tough... they are middle of the road on a good day. And it was on the 'Skins home turf.... really no excuses. The 'Skins scored their only TD in garbage time.
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    The only reason you'd think RG3 was "playing better" early on was because you weren't looking at the right stuff. I'm not trying to be condescending, because I used to look at the game the same way. I only looked at stats, and not context. You bought into the 'Skins gimmicky offense and west-coast/option hybrid, whatever-it-is "college" offense. The league *is* going to solve that offense. It's not a matter of if, it's when. It's already happening. I knew it then. I said the exact same thing before the season started about Cam Newton, when OlBlu was proclaiming him a superstar and greatest QB of this generation. Luck is not running anything like that. He's running a full-blown NFL offense and has been since day 1. I've been saying this for months. I'm not trying to hate on RG3, it is just what it is. I could see this coming by a mile. I've always leaned on the truest factors for gauging these guys --- mechanics, build, mental make-up, performance under pressure. I've been saying for months that I've *never* seen a quarterback come out of college with a skillset that equals Lucks. Ever. I knew it would take half a season for us to see the fruits of that selection, because of the factors that Luck was thrown into. I don't need to recount those obstacles because all we had to do was watch Pagano's post-game locker-room speech for it all to become clear just exactly what this team has had to overcome, on every level. And we're 5-3. I knew Luck was the best quarterback prospect we've ever seen in this league, and he's even surprised me with how good he's become so quickly. I know there'll be rocky days, but today was a glimpse of what kidn of performances he can put up.
    While all of this is true, RG3 has had just as many holes, if not more, then the Colts. Some how the team was able to get a line that blocked to start the season off, but after last week the whole team fell apart. That is not on RG3, that is on the coaches.

    I agree he needs to be put in a new system, but that is not on him. He can only do what the coaches ask of him. And as much as the trolls in this thread hate it, he has done what they have asked very well.

    In a perfect world I would like to say him in a WC offense where they roll him our and let him use his mobility. Of course if/when that happened people will be out there proclaiming he is bound to get hurt [again] and how he is just "lucky" for every good game he has.

    The mentality that because "he lost" he had a bad day cracks me up. Of course this thread has turn into a repeat of genious like "RG3 is greatest" versus "RG3 is satan. He cant hold X players jock strap". With lines like that, its a miracle we can have posts that talk about schemes and system (and while I dont always agree with your points, I at least respect the fact you bring substance to the table)

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    The excuses are already pouring in for RG3.---^ Not trying to hate, va, but you know I've been saying this all year. Luck lost about 5 catches today and still put up almost 450. He lost one surefire TD in teh end zone for 40+ yards.
    That is a joke, right? Our line couldnt block a THREE man rush, and you are going to call me out for that? HA ****ing HA

    You can preface it by saying that is not "hating" but yeah, that is exactly what it is. RG3 can only work with what he has, and right now its not much.

    The only thing I thought "he" screwed up on today was holding onto the ball to long, and frankly that doesnt surprise me considering he hasnt been a pocket passer all year.

    That said, if you want him to play QB, WR, OT, OG, TE, DT, CB, SS, FS, KR and PR then maybe we could blame him for today.

    P.S. RG3 lost about 5 catches per drive, and that was when they were lucky enough to get a play off without some kind of stupid penalty. Lets not act like RG3 is working with an pro bowl offense out there

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    He got one concussion....

    Oh, and he was passing the ball more. and running the ball more. Then our coaches decided to stop running Morris (who was having a beast game) for some reason. RG3 cant run, pass, run block, pass block, and play defense
    Didn't he have a serious one last year at Baylor? Oh, here it is: http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=ycn-10538999

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