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    The Cowboys were getting bulldozed by the time Orton was put in and there wasn't much time left. Benching a QB is only a big deal if you still have a chance at winning the game. It's not like the Cowboys did it with the idea that Orton would give them a chance at winning. They did it to spare Romo embarrassment/injury.

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    If he wasn't already embarrassed after throwing 5 INTs then that is not a good sign for him. Dude got benched. He was benched cause he got his *** handed to him for 3 and a half quarters.

    Of course OlBlu probably thinks he was awesome in that Chicago game because he completed 72% of his passes.

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    IF I was a Redskins fan my fear would be if the other teams figured out that college system. In the end I think they will but it may take a year or so much like Peytons stretch play became the way of the dinasour and the Miami wildcat.
    I have been saying this for weeks.

    I like that they have worked on the fake option run, drop back pass.

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    If he wasn't already embarrassed after throwing 5 INTs then that is not a good sign for him. Dude got benched. He was benched cause he got his *** handed to him for 3 and a half quarters.

    Of course OlBlu probably thinks he was awesome in that Chicago game because he completed 72% of his passes.
    He was benched in the literal sense, but there's a big difference between being benched when the game is over versus being benched because the team thinks that the other guy will give them a better chance of winning the game.

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    Taking all things into consideration I think they have looked pretty equal at best. So many times fans make these comments and don't take into consideration the teams they are playing against. Put RG3 against the Bears his first game and I put a large amount of money he looks like complete crap like Luck did.

    Fact is both of these QB's are good against mediocre DB's and poor schemes. Is someone really going to defend the Giants pass defense or the Saints? I hope not but one game that came and went where I think RG3 out performed LUck was the Vikings game and RG3 had the best total QBR that weekend to show for it.

    Right now Luck is two spots ahead of RG3 in the total QBR rating so ya when you actually weight defenses they are about equal.
    Right now, Luck is 27 spots behind RGIII in QB rating..... He is tied with Weeden for 31st. RGIII has the best completion percentage in the entire NFL. Add his own much better running game and there are miles between Luck and RGIII. Luck leads in the number of attempts. In fact, when you run the numbers over seven games, only Drew Brees is going to the air more than Luck. The 53% completion record compared to RGIII's league leading 70% is a huge statistic to show which one of them is the more efficient QB....

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    Right now, Luck is 27 spots behind RGIII in QB rating..... He is tied with Weeden for 31st. RGIII has the best completion percentage in the entire NFL. Add his own much better running game and there are miles between Luck and RGIII. Luck leads in the number of attempts. In fact, when you run the numbers over seven games, only Drew Brees is going to the air more than Luck. The 53% completion record compared to RGIII's league leading 70% is a huge statistic to show which one of them is the more efficient QB....
    luck has put the offense on his shoulders since day 1. Cherry picked stats don't mean much when your responsible for leading the whole offense. You just seem to ignore the whole mental side of the game. This confuses me since Peyton's most important attribute was never physical.

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    luck has put the offense on his shoulders since day 1. Cherry picked stats don't mean much when your responsible for leading the whole offense. You just seem to ignore the whole mental side of the game. This confuses me since Peyton's most important attribute was never physical.

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    Cherry picked stats? That QB rating says that Luck is only one removed from being the worst starting QB in the NFL. Always amazing to me to see the stat monkeys run for cover when the stats don't say what they want them to say.....

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    Cherry picked stats? That QB rating says that Luck is only one removed from being the worst starting QB in the NFL. Always amazing to me to see the stat monkeys run for cover when the stats don't say what they want them to say.....
    The exact same can be said about you! Hypocrisy seems to be one of your biggest traits.

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    Olblu if you want to lookk at one stat that's fine. There is no denying that RG3 completion percentage is great but one stat doesn't tell the whole story which is why total QBR rating was put in place. Josh freeman destroyed the saints defense and drew brees could have broke the nfl td record for a game. Those 2 defenses RG3 played against and most teams would do great against those dbs. I liken it to an open book test. Am I suprised that RG3 did well against those teams? Not at all.

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    The exact same can be said about you! Hypocrisy seems to be one of your biggest traits.
    It is very interesting. If I make a statement and don't post stats I am criticized. If I post stats to back up a statement then there is something wrong with those stats. I am not big on stats. I have to many players and teams who look great on paper until they start playing the game. I think Luck is one of those and the stats that show him to be the 31st best QB in the NFL and fifth out of five starting rookie QBs back up my ascertation that this is not the QB you all thought you signed. He is NOT "the most NFL prepared QB in history." He is a QB who just happened to play in and NFL system and it isn't translating very well to the games themselves. If I was a hypocrit, somewhere along the line I would jump on the Luck bandwagon. I didn't do that before he was drafted when I suggested that RGIII seemed to be much better and I won't be doing it any time soon. I do not see this guy ever being a top ten in the NFL QB.... The player he replaced is a top ten NFL QB even after sitting out over a year with injury.....

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    Olblu if you want to lookk at one stat that's fine. There is no denying that RG3 completion percentage is great but one stat doesn't tell the whole story which is why total QBR rating was put in place. Josh freeman destroyed the saints defense and drew brees could have broke the nfl td record for a game. Those 2 defenses RG3 played against and most teams would do great against those dbs. I liken it to an open book test. Am I suprised that RG3 did well against those teams? Not at all.
    I think you will find that QBR pays off to anyone who chucks it by the ton. It doesn't take into consideration missed passes like the regular QB rating does. So, if you want to do well there, just pass the ball 70 times per game and you will be the number one QB. It won't matter if you only hit 45% of them. The regular QB rating is still the best measurement in my book and it is what just about everyone uses. In the case of the rookie QBs, I think it has it down very well.... By the way, RGIII had a great day against the Giants. What makes you think he won't have a great day against any team in the NFL?

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    It is very interesting. If I make a statement and don't post stats I am criticized. If I post stats to back up a statement then there is something wrong with those stats. I am not big on stats. I have to many players and teams who look great on paper until they start playing the game. I think Luck is one of those and the stats that show him to be the 31st best QB in the NFL and fifth out of five starting rookie QBs back up my ascertation that this is not the QB you all thought you signed. He is NOT "the most NFL prepared QB in history." He is a QB who just happened to play in and NFL system and it isn't translating very well to the games themselves. If I was a hypocrit, somewhere along the line I would jump on the Luck bandwagon. I didn't do that before he was drafted when I suggested that RGIII seemed to be much better and I won't be doing it any time soon. I do not see this guy ever being a top ten in the NFL QB.... The player he replaced is a top ten NFL QB even after sitting out over a year with injury.....

    In the immortal words of President Obama, "Proceed sir..."
    You do post statistics but only if they are beneficial to your seriously skewed point of view. I don't think anybody here is saying Luck is the best in the NFL right now but he is a damn good quarterback. You keep regurgitating the same thing about completion percentage and TD to INT ratios compared to Manning and RG3, yet you fail to accept that all 3 were/are in different positions. He is on pace to have just as good, if not better of a rookie campaign as Manning yet you are too stubborn to admit it. Nobody cares what you "think" he "might" do. He was very hyped coming out of college because his résumé spoke for itself, but don't forget ESPN kissed RG3's *** just as hard. He is in a different system with a much better offensive line and you fail to acknowledge that gives him a huge advantage.

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    You do post statistics but only if they are beneficial to your seriously skewed point of view. I don't think anybody here is saying Luck is the best in the NFL right now but he is a damn good quarterback. You keep regurgitating the same thing about completion percentage and TD to INT ratios compared to Manning and RG3, yet you fail to accept that all 3 were/are in different positions. He is on pace to have just as good, if not better of a rookie campaign as Manning yet you are too stubborn to admit it. Nobody cares what you "think" he "might" do. He was very hyped coming out of college because his résumé spoke for itself, but don't forget ESPN kissed RG3's *** just as hard. He is in a different system with a much better offensive line and you fail to acknowledge that gives him a huge advantage.
    I'll tell you were Luck really leads the NFL. He leads in excuse makers for his lack luster performances...... You all have a bunch of them all of the time. Luck will never even be a pimple on Peyton's arse....

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    I'll tell you were Luck really leads the NFL. He leads in excuse makers for his lack luster performances...... You all have a bunch of them all of the time. Luck will never even be a pimple on Peyton's arse....
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    It is very interesting. If I make a statement and don't post stats I am criticized. If I post stats to back up a statement then there is something wrong with those stats. I am not big on stats.
    That's funny, you seem to lean on a bunch of stats to proclaim RG3 the greatest quarterback in the NFL. Or commercials or endorsements.
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    That's funny, you seem to lean on a bunch of stats to proclaim RG3 the greatest quarterback in the NFL. Or commercials or endorsements.

    Well at least he did say that endorsements and advertising have nothing to do with making a player a superstar. So he at least has that line of **** going for him.

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    I think you will find that QBR pays off to anyone who chucks it by the ton. It doesn't take into consideration missed passes like the regular QB rating does. So, if you want to do well there, just pass the ball 70 times per game and you will be the number one QB. It won't matter if you only hit 45% of them. The regular QB rating is still the best measurement in my book and it is what just about everyone uses. In the case of the rookie QBs, I think it has it down very well.... By the way, RGIII had a great day against the Giants. What makes you think he won't have a great day against any team in the NFL?
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    Cherry picked stats? That QB rating says that Luck is only one removed from being the worst starting QB in the NFL. Always amazing to me to see the stat monkeys run for cover when the stats don't say what they want them to say.....
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    So I present this question to the forum...

    COMPLETELY HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION MIND YOU. SO PLEASE DO NOT THINK THAT THIS IS A PREDICTION OF SOME SORT

    Griffin is already considered by many to be the most electrifying player going in the NFL thus far this season. If he were able to garner 1st place votes for the MVP award, or even somehow managed to win the award (though unlikely--a few journalists have begun stating that he's in the discussion) would you then be willing to consider that he's a better player than Luck?
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    So I present this question to the forum...

    COMPLETELY HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION MIND YOU. SO PLEASE DO NOT THINK THAT THIS IS A PREDICTION OF SOME SORT

    Griffin is already considered by many to be the most electrifying player going in the NFL thus far this season. If he were able to garner 1st place votes for the MVP award, or even somehow managed to win the award (though unlikely--a few journalists have begun stating that he's in the discussion) would you then be willing to consider that he's a better player than Luck?
    I think he is a pro-baller this year, I know that doesn't mean much but still....

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    To your question ace. If RG3 wins the nfl mvp I defiantly would put him ahead of luck for the season. I doubt that happens but who knows.

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    I think he is a pro-baller this year, I know that doesn't mean much but still....
    Easily. I'm thinking he'll easily be the leading vote getter, lol if they even do that anymore. If not I'd think he, Manning and Rodgers would be the NFC pro bowlers.

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    To your question ace. If RG3 wins the nfl mvp I defiantly would put him ahead of luck for the season. I doubt that happens but who knows.
    I doubt it does too. I hadn't even thought bout that till I read something about it online and then heard it again on ESPN. At some point he has to hit that rookie wall, and have a bad game or two

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    So I present this question to the forum...

    COMPLETELY HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION MIND YOU. SO PLEASE DO NOT THINK THAT THIS IS A PREDICTION OF SOME SORT

    Griffin is already considered by many to be the most electrifying player going in the NFL thus far this season. If he were able to garner 1st place votes for the MVP award, or even somehow managed to win the award (though unlikely--a few journalists have begun stating that he's in the discussion) would you then be willing to consider that he's a better player than Luck?
    If he was to win the MVP then it would mean his rookie season has surpassed Luck. It SHOULD also mean RG3's team has improved considerably because I think the MVP should be reserved for a player that markedly makes his team much, much better than they already would be. While that doesn't preclude it going to a team with a mediocre or worse record, it should certainly come close to doing that.
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