RG3 isn't half the runner that Vick was when he entered the league. He might be a faster straight-line runner, but even then I doubt it. Vick was faster in acceleration, was dynamic in his lateral shiftiness and stop-and-go, and then when he lit up the afterburners, was a 4.2-4.3 runner. RG3 is fast, but I've watched them both --- he's no Vick. Vick is maybe the 2nd most dynamic runner I've ever seen in this league, behind Barry Sanders. And Vick still throws an absolutely beautiful laser. To the right person and accurately? Debatable.
That's why I've said that if Mike Vick can't find any deep playoff success in this league, what makes anyone think RG3 will? He's behind Vick in both running and passing. I do see similarities on the whole between the two, however; they are both electrifying players. They have a similar throwing style, and can absolutely wing it. But that play style is not conducive to post-season success, because flash and electricity get absolutely shut down in the playoffs. Kordell Stewart, Randall Cunningham... I'm not saying this because they all were black, I'm saying it because they all played a very similar style of ball. You *never* see those guys pull off in the playoffs what they do in the regular season. Those types of players are regular season show-offs, and then get blasted in the playoffs, if they even make it in to the playoffs. You only make those plays against half-baked defenses, and there are no half-baked defenses in the playoffs.
I still think Washington is absolutely playing with fire with how much they let the kid run.... he's gonna get blasted again. I'm not saying that with glee, I'm saying it with concern, they need to not simplify the playbook just because he's not picking it up as fast. They need to challenge him and keep him in the pocket and grow him as a passer, not just dumb things down and make it simple for him to have success as a rookie. They're hurting his long-term growth.
Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 10-15-2012 at 09:54 AM.
There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.
That was weird?? I was trying to quote Ol Blu and Trader's name came up instead....
You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....
Passing percentage of Andrew Luck through week 6 of his NFL rookie season...53.4%....also for funsies...Luck has 7 TDs and 7 picks at this time. Luck has thrown for 1488 yards (in 5 starts)
Luck is playing maybe the most complicated downfield offense we have ever seen a rookie run in addition to this. Keep ripping on Luck's completion percentage all you want, just know that it is another area where you look silly since Peyton struggled with the exact same thing.
I actually ready RG3 ran a 4.2 40, and even a 4 flat. But he kept looking back on that last TD run. Maybe he did not have the afterburners on, IDK.
Regardless, I agree. I actually think Vick was faster coming into the league.
[/quote]I still think Washington is absolutely playing with fire with how much they let the kid run.... he's gonna get blasted again. I'm not saying that with glee, I'm saying it with concern, they need to not simplify the playbook just because he's not picking it up as fast. They need to challenge him and keep him in the pocket and grow him as a passer, not just dumb things down and make it simple for him to have success as a rookie. They're hurting his long-term growth.
I agree. I hate how Kyle is using him.
I disagree with dumbing it down. I think you need to simlify things to grow confidence, but there is a fine line of when to try to progress and accept growing pains
RGIII ran a 4.41 at the combine. Luck ran a 4.6 and also did incredibly well in the agility tests, which RGIII chose not to take part in for whatever reason.
Vick ran a 4.33 in 2001 and also skipped the agility tests.
All three of these guys have mind numbing athletic numbers for a QB. The fact that Luck and RGIII were in the same draft is even more mind numbing. The fact that we can't even enjoy the greatness of both players without being bludgeoned to death is the most mind numbing thing of all.
The fact that Luck moves as well as he does at his size is amazing. Tim Tebow has made a living in this league running the ball, and Luck is actually bigger and more athletic than him, and I'm basing that off actual combine results. Luck topped him in almost every category.
The highlights of him plowing defenders over after his team turned it over, or his 1-handed catch on the sidelines... makes you think there's no skill position he couldn't play with some success in this league. I could see him playing tight end very well. I could maybe even see him playing linebacker. The tackles he's made after his team turned the ball over are textbook.... lowers/squares his shoulder, drives his legs, and goes through guys. His tackles look very natural, as if he's not getting jarred. When he's made those tackles, you think that it was someone else, a natural tackler, and then you see him get up and you think "OMG that was the quarterback!" He's just an all-around footballer.
When he's off the field in street clothes, he looks goofy, a lil awkward, doesn't even really seem that athletic, has that disheveled hair that is just bad. But then he dons that football helmet and jersey and it's like "Okay, football player." And then you see him move and throw like he does, and you think "Okay, wasn't expecting that." It's like he just enters a whole different mode once it's game time. He sort of reminds me of Jeff Foster athletically, in that you're just not expecting it. Foster looked so pedestrian. But the guy was a strength freak, and could dunk from the free throw line.
Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 10-15-2012 at 10:11 AM.
You didn't think the Colts should draft Luck then why should have the Redskins drafted RG3? You do this a lot and its quite funny to me. You say I believe this...... and then make an argument against your own opinion.
You say the Colts won't be as effective at putting a team around Luck as THEY ARE CURRENTLY CONSTRUCTED... How laughable is that comment.. So if the Colts make no improvements to the team then they still will be bad? No WAY!
The Colts will have more money and more picks than the Redskins and considering there is no big track record of Grigson to go off of then I just chalk these type of comments up to a jaded Peyton fan that can't accept change.
Last edited by Gamble1; 10-15-2012 at 11:16 AM.
The fact you want Saturday back says it all. I love the guy to death, but he is so bad now it is not even funny.
Please tell us about all these rookie QBs doing much better than Luck.
Last edited by Trader Joe; 10-15-2012 at 12:42 PM.
Yes, but he has been injured. I think the one in Seattle is Wilson and he has been very good. Tannehill has done well but it is a bad team. Weems will be coming in and he will play very well against the Colts (who doesn't)......
Phoenix, I'm assuming you mean Arizona. Ryan Lindley is their rookie backup QB, and he hasn't played not because he's hurt but because he's not good. When Kolb went down, he didn't get the snaps, John Skelton did.
If you're going to make things up, atleast pick out rookie QBs that have played.
Can't wait to watch that Weems fellow from Cleveland this weekend! You can really tell OlBlu has done a lot of homework on these rookie QBs.
Speaking of Schaub, last night proved my point on him. He was complete garbage trying to lead the Texans back last night.