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NBA AM: The NBA Rookies To Watch

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    [url]http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-the-nba-rookies-to-watch/[/The Rookies To Watch:

    There is no doubting that Olympian gold medalist and top overall pick Anthony Davis is the favorite in the clubhouse to win the Rookie of The Year award in 2012-2013. Second overall selection Michael Kidd-Gilchrist looked great in summer league and could have a solid season for the Bobcats. Washington’s Bradley Beal is in the perfect situation in Washington to flourish; even Sacramento’s Thomas Robinson could shine with the Kings. However there are a few rookies who were drafted outside the top five that either put on a show in Summer League or are now poised to have big roles in the 2012-2013 season that are worth paying attention to, here are a few of them:

    Damian Lillard, Portland: Lillard was the co-MVP of the Las Vegas Summer League and truly looked like a man among boys at times running the show for the Trail Blazers’ summer crew. Lillard looks like he is the favorite to start for the Blazers and given his knack for scoring the ball and his polish, he does become a Rookie of The Year prospect, mainly because he’ll get the playing time and opportunity to showcase his skills. LaMarcus Aldridge is the lead dog in Portland, so Lillard won’t be the leading scorer, but if he can put up solid double-figure scoring and hand out the six-to-eight assists per game he says he’s capable of, Lillard could be one of the brighter rookies in the class.

    Maurice Harkless, Orlando: Mo Harkless was projected to be a bench guy in Philadelphia, but after the Dwight Howard trade landed him in Orlando, things are looking up for Harkless. It’s unlikely that Harkless starts the season as a starter, but there is little doubt that Harkless will get every opportunity to speed along his development. A rangy small forward type, Harkless has shown glimpses of having Rudy Gay/Kevin Durant type scoring ability, which will make him a fan favorite for sure. Harkless was a streaky shooter at St. John’s, however, he’s spent the entire summer re-working his shooting mechanics. If he can drain the three-ball effectively, he will supplant anyone they put in front of him in Orlando. Mo may not start the season as a starter, but the smart money is on him ending the season as one.

    Harrison Barnes, Golden State: There really couldn’t be a better situation for Harrison Barnes than the Warriors. There is almost no pressure on him and all he’ll be asked to do is play his game, not carry a franchise. Barnes was one of the brighter spots in summer league and he is expected to play a big role for the Warriors. The problem for Barnes is he’s not going to get nearly the amount of looks it will take to be a real Rookie of The Year candidate, but there is no doubting that the skills are there. The Warriors are so deep with young talent that Barnes day-to-day numbers may be underwhelming, but if you are looking for the guy that could give you 25 on any given night he might be that guy.

    Terrence Ross, Toronto: The training camp battle between Terrence Ross and Raptors guard DeMar DeRozan will be one to watch. DeRozan has the bigger, more mature NBA body and he is certainly more explosive as a scorer. However, Terrence Ross is a far better shooter. There has been talk that the Raptors would try and find ways to get both guys on the floor together, but if Ross wins the starter’s job in camp or if injury strikes Ross has the ability to be an impact scorer. Like Barnes it’s unlikely that Ross gets the minutes and touches to be a real Rookie of The Year candidate, but when you start looking at the Rookies to watch he could be one of the best of the bunch.

    Jared Sullinger, Boston: Sullinger proved in the Orlando Summer League that he’s not nearly as damaged as the draft process made him out to be and unlike most of the young bigs in summer league, he proved that he was ready to play. The Celtics have a lot of mature veterans in front of Sully, so it’s unlikely that he plays a big role as a rookie, but if he does get his shot he has the bulk and the knack for scoring that could make things interesting. He is not a Rookie of The Year candidate, but he should be fun to watch especially after the Celtic vets like Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce get a hold of him and teach him a little nastiness.

    Perry Jones III, Thunder Jones won’t be starting games, but if he sticks to the plan with the Thunder and his knee holds up he’ll have a chance for a regular role. When the Thunder started the draft process they were actually open to trading the pick. When PJIII landed to them late in the first they really couldn’t have been happier. Jones is going to have to learn to run the Thunder system and that was a knock on him in the draft process. Everyone knew Jones could play, but the question was could he run a complex system? That’s something he’ll have to prove in camp. PJIII is not a Rookie of The Year prospect, but he could be a fun rookie to watch. The Western Conference got appreciably better this summer, but adding Jones to the OKC bench crew that will likely feature Eric Maynor, Reggie Jackson and Olympian James Harden makes them better as well. The second unit in OKC added another high volume scorer, as if they were not deep enough already.

    Orlando Johnson, Pacers If there is one guy in the second round who could make a name for himself its likely Indiana’s Orlando Johnson. With a great mix of perimeter shooting, an attack-the-basket game, and a high basketball IQ Johnson could be a nice addition to a very young Pacers squad. Paul George is the starter at the two spot, but if Johnson gets some extended time he could provide a scoring boost like he did in summer league. There is no scenario short of a major injury in which Johnson will be in the Rookie of the Year discussion, but if you are looking for a dark horse rookie to watch, he might be the guy
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    Last edited by 90'sNBARocked; 08-21-2012, 07:53 PM.
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    Re: NBA AM: The NBA Rookies To Watch

    I have to say, what scoring boost did OJ provide during Summer League? I agree with the statements, though. Summer League is just a farce when it comes to true projections, but it'd be awesome if he became a watchable rookie this year.
    witters: @imbtyler, @postgameonline

    Originally posted by Day-V
    In conclusion, Paul George is awesome.
    Originally posted by Slick Pinkham
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      Re: NBA AM: The NBA Rookies To Watch

      Originally posted by imbtyler View Post
      I have to say, what scoring boost did OJ provide during Summer League? I agree with the statements, though. Summer League is just a farce when it comes to true projections, but it'd be awesome if he became a watchable rookie this year.
      He did put up 12.4 a game, 3rd on the team. Sure, wasn't exactly efficient at 26%, but it's still a scoring boost. I guess.

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        There are quite a few 2nd rounders I'd put ahead of Orlando, like Will Barton.

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          Apparently OJ couldn't miss against air defenders. Summer League he couldn't hit a shot.

          Something tells me this guy could be like another streaky, and horribly inefficient scorer...AJ Price.
          First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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            OJ is Barbosa 2.0 streaky shooter and has blackhole traits
            Counting down the days untill DJ Augustin's contract expires.

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              If Lance and other players have shown us ANYTHING it's that killing it in the summer league doesn't really mean much. Yes I'm a bit worried about OJ's shooting percentage and lack of passing, but for all we know; the coaching staff could've told him to put it up as much as he could.

              Though he wasn't converting these opportunities, OJ was able to create space and get good looks at the basket, which was somewhat of a question mark coming in.

              He's a rookie 2nd round pick on a deep playoff team. If he gives us anything resembling a contribution offensively then it's a positive.

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                If OJ gets burn in more than 20 or so games then that's a successful rookie year as far as I'm concerned.

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                  Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
                  He did put up 12.4 a game, 3rd on the team. Sure, wasn't exactly efficient at 26%, but it's still a scoring boost. I guess.
                  %26! wow.

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                    Originally posted by Hypnotiq View Post
                    OJ is Barbosa 2.0 streaky shooter and has blackhole traits
                    boy, i do hope that OJ is Leandrhino 2.0. Barbossa can play.

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                      Re: NBA AM: The NBA Rookies To Watch

                      If OJ can fill the position of Barbosa, I won't be disappointed. Leandro disappointed overall, into the playoffs and such; but if OJ can provide some quick scoring, when it's most needed, then that'll be a success in my eyes.

                      I'm not really surprised that Plumlee isn't on the list of rookies to watch (as are several other interesting rookies), but I think that he'll be the rookie that we're keeping our eyes on to produce well. Since a few of us are looking at him to replace Hansbrough to some degree, I think Plumlee is going to be under the microscope all season.
                      witters: @imbtyler, @postgameonline

                      Originally posted by Day-V
                      In conclusion, Paul George is awesome.
                      Originally posted by Slick Pinkham
                      Our arena, their arena, Rucker park, it just doesn't matter. We're bigger, longer, younger, faster, and hungrier.


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                        What? No Plumlee? Sheesh.

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                          Originally posted by Sparhawk View Post
                          Apparently OJ couldn't miss against air defenders. Summer League he couldn't hit a shot.

                          Something tells me this guy could be like another streaky, and horribly inefficient scorer...AJ Price.
                          Well, even if that's the case, at least this time he's actually playing shooting guard, not point guard.

                          But his %'s in college look good to me, and highlights show him hitting contested shots. I'm sure he's as streaky as any shooter/scorer is, but I'm encouraged that he can put up good %'s and hit contested shots.

                          http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/...rlando-johnson

                          His freshman %'s aren't good, but his final 3 years (the ones where he was at UCSB), his FG% was .481, .475, .451 and his 3G% was .397, .405, .427

                          Considering that he was apparently their only true weapon on offense (meaning he was the defense's focal point essentially all of the time), I think those are pretty good %'s.

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                            Re: NBA AM: The NBA Rookies To Watch

                            I'm still waiting for the "OJ is going to revolutionize the Pacers" thread.
                            @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                              Re: NBA AM: The NBA Rookies To Watch

                              Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                              I'm still waiting for the "OJ is going to revolutionize the Pacers" thread.
                              So start it... After all you do trust the Pacers when it comes to drafting well...
                              Nothing in life worth having comes easy.

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