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    Sorry for the strongly worded title, but I don't think I've ever seen a not great coach get treated like the worst coach ever like this, and I cannot understand why. He forwent a weakness so we could focus on a strength. Its worked for other teams in the past, the difference with us that we weren't super talented. He never had us as anywhere near a cellar dweller, despite that we did not have great talent. Sure he was stubborn, but he at least got results, albeit pretty mediocre ones.

    My point: He was a very, very average coach. People treat him here like the anti-Christ, sent to Earth to eradicate all the post-Brawl Pacers fans. He had an up-tempo style that got us an average amount of wins. He was an old-schooler, which obviously young guys don't like. He did what was expected until the end, when we got a coach that could better utilize a more talented roster. I just want us to settle like gents why we really hate this guy, because I feel complaining as much as people here do about JOB makes us sound like spoiled brats when compared to teams with a good amount more talent, such as the Warriors or Wizards.


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    He was the Devil and nobody would change that.

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    x's and o's wise, yes he was very average. it was his personality that made people mad. and i like seeing people fired up about this, it shows that we're still passionate for our team.

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    No, he really is that bad of a coach. He has no idea how to use the players he has to the best of their ability unless they are a stretch 4, and had no concept of consistency.

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    No, he really is that bad of a coach. He has no idea how to use the players he has to the best of their ability unless they are a stretch 4, and had no concept of consistency.
    And was a total d*** to his young players for no good reason, probably trying to pull the old (terribly outdated) "break 'em down and then mold them" approach.

    He was Isiah Thomas with a bad attitude. And to top it off he was just as arrogant with the fanbase. If he touted a stat that said to play Troy and a fan called into his show and brought it up when it backed playing someone else then he'd berate them and dismiss the issue with "there's more than one stat".

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    I remember the time Dukedinamite called him, that was some funny s***

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    And to top it off he was just as arrogant with the fanbase. If he touted a stat that said to play Troy and a fan called into his show and brought it up when it backed playing someone else then he'd berate them and dismiss the issue with "there's more than one stat".
    Wasnt that dukedynamite who did that? (i was still living in deep southern indiana outside of radio's reach at the time)
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    I pose a different question: Can we please stop talking about this ****er? It's been almost two years. Move on.

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    I pose a different question: Can we please stop talking about this ****er? It's been almost two years. Move on.
    Bingo!!!!

    That's really the only thing we need to agree to... That we not talk about JOB... Ever again. As a matter of fact, I propose that his name never again be used in a forum post. This would please the majority of us very, very much.

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    That we not talk about JOB... Ever again. As a matter of fact, I propose that his name never again be used in a forum post..
    You broke your own rule.

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    Bingo!!!!

    That's really the only thing we need to agree to... That we not talk about JOB... Ever again. As a matter of fact, I propose that his name never again be used in a forum post. This would please the majority of us very, very much.

    Thats what I have wanted for the last year.

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    I pose a different question: Can we please stop talking about this ****er? It's been almost two years. Move on.

    He isn't a loser. He never was. He had a winning record in the NBA until he took on rebuilding the Pacers. He will do a good job for Dallas too....

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    He isn't a loser. He never was. He had a winning record in the NBA until he took on rebuilding the Pacers. He will do a good job for Dallas too....
    You don't put *** in the word looser. Pretty sure he meant something else. Try something with an f. I bet he has done it at least once so he is one:-)

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    I pose a different question: Can we please stop talking about this ****er? It's been almost two years. Move on.
    I was wondering how he made his way back to this site...
    Why so SERIOUS

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    Hell no! We finally found something that got us off the Brawl.

    Seriously, if the worst problem a fandom has is arguing just how awful their former coach was, things are pretty damn good.
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    He forced MurphPosey down our throats.

    NO MERCY FOR JIM THE QUITTER!
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    I understand why some get tired of it. But no. You are free to not participate in JOb threads. For others who have been mad for literally years by this man's actions. they deserve to return him years of whippings. For those supporting Jim and caught in the middle of the frenzy...I'm sorry. Just get out of the way and be thankful it's not one of the current players.

    Also, if he were an average NBA coach, he wouldn't be the 3rd choice for an assistant position after using his ample connections through Boston and the Ramsey connections. Whether his x's and o's were average or not, taking his treatment of players into account he really is a bad coach. Perhaps even worse then a dimwit because he poisoned team chemistry...on a team full of choir boys.

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    I've been a fan of basketball for the past 12 years, and I'm somewhat obsessive compulsive so I've watched a lot of it. :P

    He's the worst coach...in every sense of the word..I've ever seen. Period. I don't even think I've got an accurate picture of what a bad coach is anymore because O'brien is my standard.

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    I've been a fan of basketball for the past 12 years, and I'm somewhat obsessive compulsive so I've watched a lot of it. :P

    He's the worst coach...in every sense of the word..I've ever seen. Period. I don't even think I've got an accurate picture of what a bad coach is anymore because O'brien is my standard.
    Yeah sorry, but this is just some serious hyperbole. Ok, he should have been let go at some point during his third season, and definitely should not have been extended, but he did a fairly decent job in his first two seasons.

    do people actually forget the 08-09 season? There were a few coaching brain farts, but go look at that roster and tell me if they had any business being in that many close games/ coming close to securing a playoff spot. If the goal was to tread water (and that appears to have been the FO's goal) then by that measure he did all he could and maximized the strengths of that squad. Sure, as a fan I probably would have done a better job in developing the young guys. But by doing that I probably would have finished with ten less wins and been let go by bird at the end of the season.

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    Yeah sorry, but this is just some serious hyperbole. Ok, he should have been let go at some point during his third season, and definitely should not have been extended, but he did a fairly decent job in his first two seasons.

    do people actually forget the 08-09 season? There were a few coaching brain farts, but go look at that roster and tell me if they had any business being in that many close games/ coming close to securing a playoff spot. If the goal was to tread water (and that appears to have been the FO's goal) then by that measure he did all he could and maximized the strengths of that squad. Sure, as a fan I probably would have done a better job in developing the young guys. But by doing that I probably would have finished with ten less wins and been let go by bird at the end of the season.
    No, it's really not. I said what I've seen, I'll be fair..I never saw Isiah. But I do watch Women's basketball so I've seen some bad coaches..

    Jim O'brien had some logical ideas that he took to extremes so that they wouldn't be logical any longer. Those few logical ideas were about the only positives of that guy.

    Those one and a half years (that I saw) were easily the worst coaching job I've ever seen. I've never seen a coach that was literally terrible at essentially every aspect of coaching. From X's and Os, to offensive philosophy and defensive philosophy, to helping to develop team chemistry, adjustments, or something as simple as what players to play (come on, a ten year old wouldn't stick James Posey on Blake Griffin) or you know..motivating your players. Just awful.

    It says enough that a lot of fans get riled up about him...but players still do too.
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    It says enough that a lot of fans get riled up about him...but players still do too.
    I actually think this is what's most damning about his legacy. Even casual fans often couldn't stand JOB. Current Pacers players are *still* talking about him. You certainly don't hear that level of disdain for many others.

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    Just for the record, just because a person is a bad head coach does not mean they are a bad assistant coach.

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    JOB did exactly what the Pacers hired him to do. He 'coached' the group of misfits we had while Bird changed the roster. He knew it when he took the job.

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    It is already settled. He was a bad coach. Was he worse than Isiah Thomas? Probably yes. Was he worse than any other Pacers coach since the 80s? Possibly yes.

    Does that mean that he cannot do a somewhat decent job coaching somewhere else? No.

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    Sorry for the strongly worded title, but I don't think I've ever seen a not great coach get treated like the worst coach ever like this, and I cannot understand why. He forwent a weakness so we could focus on a strength. Its worked for other teams in the past, the difference with us that we weren't super talented. He never had us as anywhere near a cellar dweller, despite that we did not have great talent. Sure he was stubborn, but he at least got results, albeit pretty mediocre ones.

    My point: He was a very, very average coach. People treat him here like the anti-Christ, sent to Earth to eradicate all the post-Brawl Pacers fans. He had an up-tempo style that got us an average amount of wins. He was an old-schooler, which obviously young guys don't like. He did what was expected until the end, when we got a coach that could better utilize a more talented roster. I just want us to settle like gents why we really hate this guy, because I feel complaining as much as people here do about JOB makes us sound like spoiled brats when compared to teams with a good amount more talent, such as the Warriors or Wizards.
    Starting a thread about JOB is a great way to end debate on the subject.

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