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  • DJ Augustin Playing Time

    Do you guys expect Augustin to play starter minutes for the Pacers? I hope he does. He has improved his passing ability and if he understands his role on the Pacers well he could develop into a very good Point Guard. I do not care who starts the games, but I hope to see Augustin on the floor with some of the starters often this year! On the worst team in the NBA he averaged 6.4 APG in 29.3 MPG. So I am hoping we give him similar minutes with better players (His shooting % should also go up this way). In the East only Rondo, Calderon, D.Williams, and John Wall averaged more assists than Augustin last year.

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    As much as I love George Hill, I believe the roles should be reversed, with GH playing starters minutes meshed with both units, and DJ as the starter..
    I believe DJ will absolutely THRIVE here in Indy, and that he is the answer to what we need in a pure point ..
    The thing I worry about, is that he is gonna play out of his mind this season and some other team is gonna come in and make him such an offer, that we will have to let him walk...

    While on one hand , his 1 year contract made sense.... but on the flipside they very well could have screwed themselves by not putting a team option on his contract..At least I don't think they did,but I could be mistaken........

    All I know, is that DJ is gonna play awesome for us, and I pray that we will somehow have the ability to keep him on this team with a reasonable multi-year contract.

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      Re: DJ Augustin Playing Time

      my hope is that he plays well enough, meshes with the core Players while helping us get to the ECF that it convinces the Simons to make a good contract offer next season....even if it approaches the LT.
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        Kemo, I agree with you on what GH's role should be on the Team. If anything....I can totally see a smaller rotation of DJ/GH/Granger/West/Hibbrt lineup closing out games. In the right situation and match up.... I like the ball movement and scoring in that lineup.
        Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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          Re: DJ Augustin Playing Time

          A lot of people were mad about the way we got rid of DC, and though I'm sad to see him go..it will be nice to have a "true" PG on our team. I feel his play style (distributor who likes to shoot the 3 ball) fills a role that this team hasn't had.

          One has to consider the fact that DJ is rather short, and would be much of the same defensive liability that DC was. So it would depend on whether or not his offensive contributions to the starting lineup would be worth the lack of defense within the starting lineup (2 of our 5 starters would then be below average defensively)

          All in all it's definitely a good problem to have two players that are capable to start at the PG position. I would believe that if DJ showed that he was a better option to start, GH has shown that he is more than willing to come off the bench and play the spark/6th man role rather well.

          As we hear when it comes to players like Jason Terry, Manu Ginobili, etc...it doesn't matter who starts, but who finishes games.

          As a poster said before, I definitely see a lineup that includes some sort of a combination of DJ, GH, PG/DG, DG/DW, DW/RH---depending on matchups of course.

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            Re: DJ Augustin Playing Time

            no, I do not expect DJ to play starter minutes. I expect him to be the backup point. No more and no less. IMO, DJ is a temporary player. Unless something special happens, he will be gone next season and someone else will be the backup PG.

            For all that DJ brings to the table, the fact remains he is too short and too gawd awful a defender to be a 30 mpg player. at least here in Indiana. Vogel has said over and over that he is looking for guys that can score and defend their position. That metric leaves DJ in the part time role player mode. I see DJ's role as similar to Tyler or Leandro's. A guy that can score, but is a liability on the defensive end.

            fwiw, Pacers seem to have 6 guys that currently fit the score and defend their position metric. Hill, Paul, Danny, David, Roy and Gerald Green. The jury is still out on Ian Mahinmi. and who knows about OJ, Lance, Miles and OJ.

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              Re: DJ Augustin Playing Time

              If Augustin is having a great season and Lance is playing pretty well as well, I honestly expect to see Augustin shipped out around the trade deadline in a deal that hopefully lands an upgrade at one of the starting positions.


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                Re: DJ Augustin Playing Time

                I think he'll get close to starter minutes. I also think he needs to show he can play some defense if he wants to keep those minutes.
                First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                  Re: DJ Augustin Playing Time

                  Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                  If Augustin is having a great season and Lance is playing pretty well as well, I honestly expect to see Augustin shipped out around the trade deadline in a deal that hopefully lands an upgrade at one of the starting positions.
                  Heck, I'm hoping Tyler comes out strong and both could be traded for someone of value/picks.
                  First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                    Re: DJ Augustin Playing Time

                    Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                    If Augustin is having a great season and Lance is playing pretty well as well, I honestly expect to see Augustin shipped out around the trade deadline in a deal that hopefully lands an upgrade at one of the starting positions.
                    i agree. I do expect Lance to get another look at backup SG and PG. Be interesting to see what's different about this year vs last. big hopes for lance and paul. time for them to start showing up come game time.

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                      Re: DJ Augustin Playing Time

                      Hill got 25 mpg last year. I expect DJ to be just under that. We all should expect him and Hill out there in the early going of the season.

                      If Danny is the last starter off the court we could see a lineup of:
                      DJ
                      Green
                      Danny
                      Tyler
                      Ian

                      I hope that it isn't that same rotational philosophy, given that it killed us against the Heat. But Vogel has yet to change that. He uses his bench a lot. And all at the same time.

                      I would like to see this rotation close the first quarter:
                      DJ
                      Hill
                      Greene
                      Danny
                      Ian
                      Start of the 2nd
                      DJ
                      PG
                      Greene
                      Tyler
                      Ian

                      8 minute mark
                      DJ
                      PG
                      Greene
                      Ian
                      Hibbert

                      And then bring Danny and Hill in sometime from 8 to 6 minutes to play the rest of the quarter. I say we throw PG out there with other capable scorers.

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                        Re: DJ Augustin Playing Time

                        Originally posted by Major Cold View Post
                        . . . I hope that it isn't that same rotational philosophy, given that it killed us against the Heat. But Vogel has yet to change that. He uses his bench a lot. And all at the same time. . .
                        Be interesting to see how things change this year. i.e. during a regular 82 game season. I thought a lot of things done last year were 'condensed schedule' adjustments. plus all the kids are a year older and presumably a year wiser. so things will be looser. I'm cool with however Frank does it as long as he ends up with at least 8 guys that can play.

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                          Re: DJ Augustin Playing Time

                          I hope he is good enough to be a long term answer at starting PG, but I'm not holding my breath for it.

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                            Re: DJ Augustin Playing Time

                            Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
                            I hope he is good enough to be a long term answer at starting PG, but I'm not holding my breath for it.
                            Not trying to sound like a dick, but hasn't he more than proved that he's not an answer at starting point guard? People here pissed and moaned about DC's defense, and Augustin is every bit as bad if not worse on that end of the court. His only true plus skill is passing. He was an integral part of the worst team in NBA history last season. The guy is a backup point guard. He's paid like a backup point guard, he plays like a backup point guard. It is what it is.

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                              Re: DJ Augustin Playing Time

                              Originally posted by cdash View Post
                              Not trying to sound like a dick, but hasn't he more than proved that he's not an answer at starting point guard? People here pissed and moaned about DC's defense, and Augustin is every bit as bad if not worse on that end of the court. His only true plus skill is passing. He was an integral part of the worst team in NBA history last season. The guy is a backup point guard. He's paid like a backup point guard, he plays like a backup point guard. It is what it is.
                              I don't know, I haven't seen him play since college.

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