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Collison and Hibbert defending the pick and roll, it never bothered you?
I thought the combination of a poor defending PG and a very slow footed big man was the main door to enter our house of defense and I think we will get the same if players like DJ or Nash would be our starting PG.
There are disadvantages to having 5 scorers on the court as only 1 guy can score the ball, but you can also use it as a strength. If all 5 players can score the ball, you can run a play for the player who is defended by the worst defender. Most teams always have a bad or below average defender on the court, but like you said, it is rare that a team has 5 good offensive players, so that the bad defender is usually covering the bad offensive player. Opponents will think twice if they want to double team one of our players. Because every Pacer on the court can be dangerous.
He struggled to play defense, he struggled to find teammates. I am the last one to put much weight into stats, but the stats he produced in New Orleans as a starter didn't just come falling out of the sky. In a better suited offensive system, he can do better.
If he had a very good season(good enough), we wouldn't have traded him.
The concept of a sixth man involves but just one thing: provide an offensive spark. Wether he scores or facilitates scoring, doesn't make much difference to me.
It doesn't matter for us that Augustin is strictly a PG as Hill or George can (continue to) play the SG position.
Last edited by MvPlumlee; 08-23-2012 at 02:22 PM.
Darren Collison allowed an average 0.74 points per play when defending the ball handler in a pick and roll situation. This ranked 69th in the league. George Hill averaged the exact same thing. Roy Hibbert allowed an average of 0.82 points per play when defending the roll man in a pick and roll situation. This ranked 39th in the league.
These numbers by no means indicate a fault in our defense.
D.J Augustin allowed an average of 0.82 points per play when defending the ball handler in a pick and roll situation. This ranked 133rd in the league. While this is without a doubt a lower number, is it by no means a glaring weakness. I'm confident that this number would get lower playing with our team compared to the Bobcats.
You are not getting my point. Yes, having five efficient offensive players on the floor at the same time will stretch a defense, but this slight benefit is not worth the huge negative impact it has on a bench's scoring ability nor the decrease in production from each individual scorer.
More scorers in the starting lineup = less shots for each player = decrease in production from each player.
Fewer scorers on the bench = less efficient scoring from the bench = decrease in overall production from the bench.
If I am following this right, you are essentially saying you think Augustine will not be able to find teammates in our offense because Collison was unable to? That's like comparing apples to oranges. Darren Collison struggled to find teammates because he is a poor facilitator. D.J Augustin is a good facilitator, and therefore your comparison is moot.
I've been saying this ever since I have been here, it is exactly the reason I always supported starting McBob over Tyler, and why I wanted to see how Price would perform with the starters. Your best 5 man group isn't always your best 5 players. You best 5 man group is the 5 players who play the best together. Sometimes, in fact often, that is the best 5 players (or at least the best player at each position), but a decent amount of time you are better off playing your second best player at the position because his skill set compliments the other players on the court.
I firmly believe the ideal realistic situation your 6th man is your 4th best player.
I think DJ should be given the opportunity to show his game works better with the starting unit...and earn the spot. But from what I've heard, he's not the facilitator some seem to the think.
BTW, I visited the Dallas Mavericks forum just a few days ago. They were saying Darren Collison is a pure PG who should be able to facilitate their offense better than the alternatives.
So, what I'm saying is that assuming you have even a cheap version of Jason Kidd, doesn't mean you have that. It's easy to assume the new guy has those skills, but you would be surprised at how difficult those players really are to find.
The difference is that Augustin has the numbers (6+ assists pr/gm) to back up the claim. Now obviously stats don't always show true value and skill, but the fact that DJ could average that many assists on THAT team definitely screams pure PG. Also, though DJ is a player that looks to take some shots, he has the vision that someone like DC lacked. Most scouting reports I've read on Augustin described him as a pass first type of guy.
NOBODY should expect the second coming of J Kidd lol, but a guy that can pass to the open man both in half court sets and on the break is something we have lacked.
I must say that I do expect more natural PG skills than either DC or Hill. There is nothing natural about their PG skills. What position did Hill play at IUPUI. Wasn't it shooting guard?
I do think with DJ he's a more natural PG....but that's not what I've read from people closer to his game. I hope what I read was wrong...
He and Stevenson will have equal playing time