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Upset about Mahimni's contract? Consider this...

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  • Upset about Mahimni's contract? Consider this...

    Big men in this league are always overpaid...look at the comparables...


    Consider this...
    Johan Petro $3,500,000
    Mirza Teletovic $3,090,000
    DeSagana Diop $7,372,200
    Brendan Haywood $7,624,500
    Chris Andersen $4,234,000
    Jason Maxiell $5,000,000
    Ryan Gomes $4,000,000
    Joel Anthony $3,600,000
    Kwame Brown $6,750,000
    Brad Miller $4,752,000
    Nazr Mohammed $3,750,000
    Hakim Warrick $4,000,000
    Chuck Hayes $5,250,000
    Amir Johnson $5,500,000

    looking back at it, his contact isnt that bad.
    "So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.



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    Re: Upset about Mahimni's contract? Consider this...

    I want to thank this 1,000 times.
    "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. … You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."

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      Re: Upset about Mahimni's contract? Consider this...

      Short, sweet, to the point. I like it!
      witters: @imbtyler, @postgameonline

      Originally posted by Day-V
      In conclusion, Paul George is awesome.
      Originally posted by Slick Pinkham
      Our arena, their arena, Rucker park, it just doesn't matter. We're bigger, longer, younger, faster, and hungrier.


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        Re: Upset about Mahimni's contract? Consider this...

        And to think we could have had Mirza Teletovic for only $3M/year...

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          Re: Upset about Mahimni's contract? Consider this...

          Originally posted by Pingu View Post
          And to think we could have had Mirza Teletovic for only $3M/year...
          Isn't he going to be something like Murphleavy without the rebounding and horrendous contract?
          Trying to enjoy every Pacers game as if it is the last!

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            Re: Upset about Mahimni's contract? Consider this...

            Originally posted by MillerTime View Post
            Big men in this league are always overpaid...look at the comparables...


            Consider this...
            Johan Petro $3,500,000
            Mirza Teletovic $3,090,000
            DeSagana Diop $7,372,200
            Brendan Haywood $7,624,500
            Chris Andersen $4,234,000
            Jason Maxiell $5,000,000
            Ryan Gomes $4,000,000
            Joel Anthony $3,600,000
            Kwame Brown $6,750,000
            Brad Miller $4,752,000
            Nazr Mohammed $3,750,000
            Hakim Warrick $4,000,000
            Chuck Hayes $5,250,000
            Amir Johnson $5,500,000

            looking back at it, his contact isnt that bad.
            Of your list, Haywood, Andersen, Gomes are already amnestied, Brad Miller is already bought out, and the Kwame Brown and Nazr Mohammed info is outdated. Kwame and Nazr are now on much cheaper contracts, as listed below.

            That list reads like a who's who of overpaid backup bigs in the NBA. I'm not at all proud that our new signing seems to fit right in with that bunch. The only names I like on the list are Hayes and Amir Johnson, but even I realize that their production don't match their contracts. Hayes especially has been disappointing on the Kings.

            A fairer comparison would be to see how much other similar bigs signed for this offseason. Here's a (more or less) comprehensive list of such signings (ordered by annual salary):

            Omer Asik, 3 years $25m, Rockets
            Brandon Bass, 3 years $20m, Celtics
            Spencer Hawes, 2 years $13m, Sixers
            Jason Thompson, 5 years $30m, Kings
            Robin Lopez, 3 years $15m, Hornets
            Boris Diaw, 2 years $9m, Spurs
            Marreese Speights, 2 years $9m, Grizzlies
            Marcus Camby, 3 years $13m, Knicks
            Ian Mahinmi, 4 years $16m, Pacers
            Jordan Hill, 2 years $8m, Lakers
            Carl Landry, 2 years $8m, Warriors
            JJ Hickson, 1 year $4m, Blazers
            Mirza Teletovic, 3 years $9m, Nets
            Kwame Brown, 2 years $6m, Sixers
            Lavoy Allen, 2 years $6m, Sixers
            Greg Stiemsma, 2 years $5m, TWolves
            Anthony Randolph, 3 years $6m, Nuggets
            Reggie Evans, 3 years $5m, Nets
            Vyacheslav Kravtsov, 2 years $3m, Pistons
            Hamed Haddadi, 2 years $2.3m, Grizzlies
            Hasheem Thabeet, 2 years $2m, Thunder
            Nazr Mohammed, 1 year vet min, Bulls
            Jason Collins, 1 year vet min, Celtics
            Joel Przybilla, 1 year vet min, Bucks
            Ronny Turiaf, 1 year vet min, Clippers
            Chris Wilcox, 1 year vet min, Celtics

            (I'm probably missing some vet min guys)

            I've leave it up to the reader to judge for himself/herself whether Mahinmi's contract is good value in light of other teams' signings. I will point out though that his 4 year contract stands out - only Jason Thompson of the Kings got a longer contract. In terms of annual salary, the guys at the top are expected to start, while the guys at the bottom are obvious backups. Mahinmi's $4m annual salary would fall somewhere in the middle.

            To me anyway, I think Mahinmi's contract comes up with raised expectations. He's being paid like a core rotation player, so I'm expecting him to be able to hold down a rotation spot at least.
            Last edited by wintermute; 08-15-2012, 06:03 AM.

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              Re: Upset about Mahimni's contract? Consider this...

              wintermute and I agree, plus he's using more recent contracts, and not last year's numbers.

              Ian got a pretty fair contract to me.

              The only thing I'm not too happy about is that he isn't a strong rebounder. West isn't a strong rebounder, Tyler isn't a strong rebounder, Ian not a strong rebounder. Hibbs, while not elite, is an above average rebounder.

              I guess Plumlee is a strong rebounder, but he certainly didn't show it at Summer League.

              Vogel has his work cut out for him and so he better be preaching and teaching guys to box out. Lack of rebounders could hurt.

              Also, Hibbs and Ian are both foul prone. I could see Plumlee getting some minutes this year. If the Pacers don't bring in another PF, I would hope that Plumlee work his way into the backup PF if Tyler continues to struggle.
              First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                Re: Upset about Mahimni's contract? Consider this...

                Originally posted by wintermute View Post
                Of your list, Haywood, Andersen, Gomes are already amnestied, Brad Miller is already bought out, and the Kwame Brown and Nazr Mohammed info is outdated. Kwame and Nazr are now on much cheaper contracts, as listed below.

                That list reads like a who's who of overpaid backup bigs in the NBA. I'm not at all proud that our new signing seems to fit right in with that bunch. The only names I like on the list are Hayes and Amir Johnson, but even I realize that their production don't match their contracts. Hayes especially has been disappointing on the Kings.

                A fairer comparison would be to see how much other similar bigs signed for this offseason. Here's a (more or less) comprehensive list of such signings (ordered by annual salary):

                Omer Asik, 3 years $25m, Rockets
                Brandon Bass, 3 years $20m, Celtics
                Spencer Hawes, 2 years $13m, Sixers
                Jason Thompson, 5 years $30m, Kings
                Robin Lopez, 3 years $15m, Hornets
                Boris Diaw, 2 years $9m, Spurs
                Marreese Speights, 2 years $9m, Grizzlies
                Marcus Camby, 3 years $13m, Knicks
                Ian Mahinmi, 4 years $16m, Pacers
                Jordan Hill, 2 years $8m, Lakers
                Carl Landry, 2 years $8m, Warriors
                JJ Hickson, 1 year $4m, Blazers
                Mirza Teletovic, 3 years $9m, Nets
                Kwame Brown, 2 years $6m, Sixers
                Lavoy Allen, 2 years $6m, Sixers
                Greg Stiemsma, 2 years $5m, TWolves
                Anthony Randolph, 3 years $6m, Nuggets
                Reggie Evans, 3 years $5m, Nets
                Vyacheslav Kravtsov, 2 years $3m, Pistons
                Hamed Haddadi, 2 years $2.3m, Grizzlies
                Hasheem Thabeet, 2 years $2m, Thunder
                Nazr Mohammed, 1 year vet min, Bulls
                Jason Collins, 1 year vet min, Celtics
                Joel Przybilla, 1 year vet min, Bucks
                Ronny Turiaf, 1 year vet min, Clippers
                Chris Wilcox, 1 year vet min, Celtics

                (I'm probably missing some vet min guys)

                I've leave it up to the reader to judge for himself/herself whether Mahinmi's contract is good value in light of other teams' signings. I will point out though that his 4 year contract stands out - only Jason Thompson of the Kings got a longer contract. In terms of annual salary, the guys at the top are expected to start, while the guys at the bottom are obvious backups. Mahinmi's $4m annual salary would fall somewhere in the middle.

                To me anyway, I think Mahinmi's contract comes up with raised expectations. He's being paid like a core rotation player, so I'm expecting him to be able to hold down a rotation spot at least.
                I just used the numbers available at Shamsports
                "So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.


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                  Re: Upset about Mahimni's contract? Consider this...

                  Originally posted by MillerTime View Post
                  I just used the numbers available at Shamsports
                  Shamsports gets updated about once or twice a year, as far as i've seen they aren't up to date now.

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                    Re: Upset about Mahimni's contract? Consider this...

                    Originally posted by pacersgroningen View Post
                    Isn't he going to be something like Murphleavy without the rebounding and horrendous contract?
                    i think a copy of Tyler. a bit more range.

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                      Re: Upset about Mahimni's contract? Consider this...

                      re the general point - i agree, there's no reason to be upset about the contract.

                      the trade was the upsetting part.

                      the contract size is fine.
                      obviously, he'll have to live up to it. Brendan Haywood could've been had for 2 mil per, and Mahinmi didn't exactly outplay him last year.
                      but it's a solid bet. Mahinmi's young and solid.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Upset about Mahimni's contract? Consider this...

                        The OP and wintermute's post is an example of relativity.

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                          Re: Upset about Mahimni's contract? Consider this...

                          Greg Stiemsma, 2 years $5m, TWolves

                          One of the best value contracts in the league if you ask me, and that should have been about where Mahinmi landed.
                          You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                            Re: Upset about Mahimni's contract? Consider this...

                            Originally posted by wintermute View Post
                            To me anyway, I think Mahinmi's contract comes up with raised expectations. He's being paid like a core rotation player, so I'm expecting him to be able to hold down a rotation spot at least.
                            Yep. We're out on a limb somewhat here. Yes, he's regarded as a Mr. P. But, now he has to realize it at least to the level of a regular second - line contributor. Otherwise, we'll have some egg on our face, at least in terms of contract length.

                            Along the same lines, this seemed to be the main strategy for our three offseason (non-draft) acquisitions. Go for potential types and hope we get larger than expected returns. Mahinmi and Green both could feasibly develop pretty far beyond their established baseline performance. Agustin could recoup pre-injury, pre-abjectly awful Bobcats performance.

                            Only issue is, as we know, the "P" game is always a crap shoot. But, it's probably a good philosophy for us assuming that we were unfortunately never legit players for the FA big names.
                            I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

                            -Emiliano Zapata

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                              Re: Upset about Mahimni's contract? Consider this...

                              Really, what is so bad about his contract? He is a solid young big with potential. Those don't come cheap these days.

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