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    With the talk of the Pacers not getting involved in the recent mega trade, I found many posters talking out both sides of their mouths. Some were ticked that we didn't send Danny to receive Bynum. Those posters thought he is clearly better than Hibbert.

    But many of those posters did not want Eric Gordon because he was often injured. So looking at the last three years, why is Bynum clearly better than Hibbert and Gordon not durable enough?

    Season Age Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
    2005-06 18 LAL NBA 46 0 7.3 0.7 1.8 .402 0.0 0.0 0.2 0.6 .296 0.7 1.0 1.7 0.2 0.1 0.5 0.4 1.2 1.6
    2006-07 19 LAL NBA 82 53 21.9 3.0 5.4 .558 0.0 0.0 .000 1.7 2.6 .668 1.7 4.2 5.9 1.1 0.1 1.6 1.4 3.0 7.8
    2007-08 20 LAL NBA 35 25 28.8 5.4 8.5 .636 0.0 0.0 2.3 3.4 .695 3.0 7.2 10.2 1.7 0.3 2.1 1.5 2.8 13.1
    2008-09 21 LAL NBA 50 50 28.9 5.6 10.0 .560 0.0 0.0 3.0 4.3 .707 2.7 5.2 8.0 1.4 0.4 1.8 1.7 3.1 14.3
    2009-10 22 LAL NBA 65 65 30.4 6.0 10.6 .570 0.0 0.0 .000 3.0 4.0 .739 2.7 5.6 8.3 1.0 0.5 1.4 1.8 3.0 15.0
    2010-11 23 LAL NBA 54 47 27.8 4.4 7.6 .574 0.0 0.0 2.6 3.9 .660 3.1 6.3 9.4 1.4 0.4 2.0 1.4 2.6 11.3
    2011-12 24 LAL NBA 60 60 35.2 7.4 13.3 .558 0.0 0.1 .200 3.9 5.6 .692 3.2 8.6 11.8 1.4 0.5 1.9 2.5 1.7 18.7
    Career NBA 392 300 26.0 4.7 8.2 .566 0.0 0.0 .111 2.4 3.5 .687 2.4 5.4 7.8 1.2 0.3 1.6 1.6 2.5 11.7

    Data courtesy Basketball-Reference.com.


    Season Age Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
    2005-06 18 LAL NBA 46 0 7.3 0.7 1.8 .402 0.0 0.0 0.2 0.6 .296 0.7 1.0 1.7 0.2 0.1 0.5 0.4 1.2 1.6
    2006-07 19 LAL NBA 82 53 21.9 3.0 5.4 .558 0.0 0.0 .000 1.7 2.6 .668 1.7 4.2 5.9 1.1 0.1 1.6 1.4 3.0 7.8
    2007-08 20 LAL NBA 35 25 28.8 5.4 8.5 .636 0.0 0.0 2.3 3.4 .695 3.0 7.2 10.2 1.7 0.3 2.1 1.5 2.8 13.1
    2008-09 21 LAL NBA 50 50 28.9 5.6 10.0 .560 0.0 0.0 3.0 4.3 .707 2.7 5.2 8.0 1.4 0.4 1.8 1.7 3.1 14.3
    2009-10 22 LAL NBA 65 65 30.4 6.0 10.6 .570 0.0 0.0 .000 3.0 4.0 .739 2.7 5.6 8.3 1.0 0.5 1.4 1.8 3.0 15.0
    2010-11 23 LAL NBA 54 47 27.8 4.4 7.6 .574 0.0 0.0 2.6 3.9 .660 3.1 6.3 9.4 1.4 0.4 2.0 1.4 2.6 11.3
    2011-12 24 LAL NBA 60 60 35.2 7.4 13.3 .558 0.0 0.1 .200 3.9 5.6 .692 3.2 8.6 11.8 1.4 0.5 1.9 2.5 1.7 18.7
    Career NBA 392 300 26.0 4.7 8.2 .566 0.0 0.0 .111 2.4 3.5 .687 2.4 5.4 7.8 1.2 0.3 1.6 1.6 2.5 11.7

    Data courtesy Basketball-Reference.com.




    Season Age Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
    2008-09 20 LAC NBA 78 65 34.3 5.3 11.6 .456 1.7 4.3 .389 3.8 4.5 .854 0.6 2.0 2.6 2.8 1.0 0.4 2.1 2.2 16.1
    2009-10 21 LAC NBA 62 60 36.0 5.7 12.6 .449 1.9 5.2 .371 3.6 4.8 .742 0.4 2.2 2.6 3.0 1.1 0.2 2.3 1.5 16.9
    2010-11 22 LAC NBA 56 56 37.7 7.6 16.9 .450 1.9 5.2 .364 5.1 6.2 .825 0.8 2.1 2.9 4.4 1.3 0.3 2.7 2.1 22.3
    2011-12 23 NOH NBA 9 9 34.4 7.0 15.6 .450 1.1 4.4 .250 5.4 7.2 .754 0.2 2.6 2.8 3.4 1.4 0.4 2.7 2.2 20.6
    Career NBA 205 190 35.7 6.1 13.5 .452 1.8 4.8 .370 4.2 5.2 .807 0.6 2.1 2.7 3.3 1.1 0.3 2.4 2.0 18.2

    Data courtesy Basketball-Reference.com.


    Season Age Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
    2008-09 20 LAC NBA 78 65 34.3 5.3 11.6 .456 1.7 4.3 .389 3.8 4.5 .854 0.6 2.0 2.6 2.8 1.0 0.4 2.1 2.2 16.1
    2009-10 21 LAC NBA 62 60 36.0 5.7 12.6 .449 1.9 5.2 .371 3.6 4.8 .742 0.4 2.2 2.6 3.0 1.1 0.2 2.3 1.5 16.9
    2010-11 22 LAC NBA 56 56 37.7 7.6 16.9 .450 1.9 5.2 .364 5.1 6.2 .825 0.8 2.1 2.9 4.4 1.3 0.3 2.7 2.1 22.3
    2011-12 23 NOH NBA 9 9 34.4 7.0 15.6 .450 1.1 4.4 .250 5.4 7.2 .754 0.2 2.6 2.8 3.4 1.4 0.4 2.7 2.2 20.6
    Career NBA 205 190 35.7 6.1 13.5 .452 1.8 4.8 .370 4.2 5.2 .807 0.6 2.1 2.7 3.3 1.1 0.3 2.4 2.0 18.2

    Data courtesy Basketball-Reference.com.


    Make no bones. This is not about us getting Gordon. This is about the constant discontentment from fans.

    Bynum is more skilled than Hibbert. But his lack of conditioning and leadership skills renders him less influential both on and off the court. Can Howard man handle Hibbert? yes.

    Can Bynum man handle him? No. Does Bynum create such a disparity at the 5 spot when we play Philly? No. Is he more effective against Hibbert than Spencer Hawes? Yes.

    But does it mean that we are now light years behind the 76ers because they got Bynum and we didn't? No
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    I think it is because people tend to focus on the most recent past. Bynum played 60 out of 66 games last season. Gordon 9 out of 66. The emphasis is on last season. It always is.
    Yay, I don't know if we're going back to the play-offs!

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    I love posters who only quote stats and close their eyes and don't watch the games. Bynum is a polished NBA center. In fact, he is the second best center in the NBA. He has great offensive moves even though he played on a team where he was the third or fourth option as Howard will be. There is much less difference between Howard and Bynum than there is between Hibbert and Bynum. Bynum will be the all star game staring center. It isn't clear that Hibbert will be named to the team. Just see how much Philly is improved with the addition of Bynum. I think they easily move ahead of the Pacers and they may be as high as third or fourth in the East when the season is over..... ...

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    I love posters who only quote stats and close their eyes and don't watch the games. Bynum is a polished NBA center. In fact, he is the second best center in the NBA. He has great offensive moves even though he played on a team where he was the third or fourth option as Howard will be. There is much less difference between Howard and Bynum than there is between Hibbert and Bynum. Bynum will be the all star game staring center. It isn't clear that Hibbert will be named to the team. Just see how much Philly is improved with the addition of Bynum. I think they easily move ahead of the Pacers and they may be as high as third or fourth in the East when the season is over..... ...
    Sweet. We last years game against the Lakers:
    Basic Box Score Statistics
    Starters MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS +/-
    David West 39:52 7 15 .467 1 1 1.000 0 0 3 6 9 4 1 0 3 1 15 -1
    Darren Collison 38:04 4 8 .500 1 2 .500 3 3 1.000 0 4 4 7 0 0 4 2 12 +8
    Danny Granger 34:18 4 14 .286 2 6 .333 6 8 .750 0 5 5 3 0 3 1 4 16 -1
    Paul George 33:25 5 8 .625 2 4 .500 1 2 .500 0 5 5 2 2 0 2 2 13 +9
    Roy Hibbert 27:26 9 13 .692 0 0 0 0 2 6 8 4 0 0 2 3 18 +18
    Reserves MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS +/-
    Tyler Hansbrough 22:05 0 5 .000 0 0 0 0 3 4 7 0 0 0 0 1 0 -8
    George Hill 18:47 4 6 .667 3 4 .750 0 0 1 2 3 1 0 0 1 4 11 -10
    Dahntay Jones 13:42 2 4 .500 1 1 1.000 4 4 1.000 1 4 5 1 0 0 0 2 9 +3
    Louis Amundson 6:27 0 3 .000 0 0 0 0 1 2 3 0 0 0 1 2 0 -6
    Lance Stephenson 5:54 1 1 1.000 0 0 2 2 1.000 1 0 1 0 0 0 1 1 4 -2
    Team Totals 240 36 77 .468 10 18 .556 16 19 .842 12 38 50 22 3 3 15 22 98

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    And since you don't like stats. I remember that game. And Bynum did not man handle Roy. Would Roy be as effective against Bynum in a 7 game series, where Bynum is the first option? No. Will he be Bynum's whipping boy? hardly


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    And since you don't like stats. I remember that game. And Bynum did not man handle Roy. Would Roy be as effective against Bynum in a 7 game series, where Bynum is the first option? No. Will he be Bynum's whipping boy? hardly


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    I don't like when people post stats and boxscores because Danny's always on there shooting 4-14 and it makes me sad. It makes me go find games he shot well just to see how he managed to even hit 40%.

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    I don't like when people post stats and boxscores because Danny's always on there shooting 4-14 and it makes me sad. It makes me go find games he shot well just to see how he managed to even hit 40%.
    How long does everyone think that will take?

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    How long does everyone think that will take?
    Save some time and just look at the last 10 to 15 games I think







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    Some people just like to nag. That's usual PD stuff. I swear that if certain people had their way within the organization then the Pacers would change line-ups after every game

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    Bynum is more skilled than Hibbert.
    I'll disagree here. Is Bynum more athletic than Hibbert? Heck yeah. Is Bynum a better Center overall? Yes, one can easily make a case about it. Is he a more skilled basketball player than Hibbert? No, he isn't. He isn't more skilled than Marc Gasol or Greg Monroe either.

    That's not to say of course that Bynum is not a skilled basketball player. He is skilled. And it's that combination of skill and tremendous athleticism that make him a great Center.

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    Some people just like to nag. That's usual PD stuff. I swear that if certain people had their way within the organization then the Pacers would change line-ups after every game



    I'll disagree here. Is Bynum more athletic than Hibbert? Heck yeah. Is Bynum a better Center overall? Yes, one can easily make a case about it. Is he a more skilled basketball player than Hibbert? No, he isn't. He isn't more skilled than Marc Gasol or Greg Monroe either.

    That's not to say of course that Bynum is not a skilled basketball player. He is skilled. And it's that combination of skill and tremendous athleticism that make him a great Center.

    See I think Bynum's low post moves are way better than Roy's. And his post defense is better. Roy is a better rotational player, but that is because of the system he has been placed in.

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    Some people just like to nag. That's usual PD stuff. I swear that if certain people had their way within the organization then the Pacers would change line-ups after every game



    I'll disagree here. Is Bynum more athletic than Hibbert? Heck yeah. Is Bynum a better Center overall? Yes, one can easily make a case about it. Is he a more skilled basketball player than Hibbert? No, he isn't. He isn't more skilled than Marc Gasol or Greg Monroe either.

    That's not to say of course that Bynum is not a skilled basketball player. He is skilled. And it's that combination of skill and tremendous athleticism that make him a great Center.
    that and the fact that he is really really big.

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    I just don't see the fire and determination to win when it comes to Bynum. I don't think he will handle being "the man" very well. You can have all the tools, but it doesn't matter if the fire isn't there! (I'm looking at you Odom)

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    See I think Bynum's low post moves are way better than Roy's. And his post defense is better. Roy is a better rotational player, but that is because of the system he has been placed in.
    Bynum is stronger than Roy and thus gets deeper position in the post. He has good post moves and his strength helps his post defense a lot.

    I'd say that when it comes to post moves the two players are roughly on the same level.

    But Roy can shoot and pass better than Bynum. Andrew is not a great passer out of double teams and he is not as reliable from the mid range or the FT line as Roy.

    So, I'd say that Roy is more skilled although Bynum is overally a better player.

    That's my take, at least.

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    I just don't see the fire and determination to win when it comes to Bynum. I don't think he will handle being "the man" very well. You can have all the tools, but it doesn't matter if the fire isn't there! (I'm looking at you Odom)
    Odom had one bad year. I would love to have that guy on a team if I was any GM. He has personal issues last year. I look for him to come back strong in LA.... ...

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    Odom had one bad year. I would love to have that guy on a team if I was any GM. He has personal issues last year. I look for him to come back strong in LA.... ...
    But he's never realized his full potential. He could've easily been the number one option on a team, but never seemed to accept the challenge.

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    But he's never realized his full potential. He could've easily been the number one option on a team, but never seemed to accept the challenge.
    Well, I see him a lot better than that. People rave about Harden but Odom was sixth man of the year a few times I think. He went to a team where it was not possible to be a number one option...... ...

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    Odom could have been a hall of famer if it wasn't because he is an unmotivated lazy player, good player but his potential was way better.

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    Bynum is stronger than Roy and thus gets deeper position in the post. He has good post moves and his strength helps his post defense a lot.

    I'd say that when it comes to post moves the two players are roughly on the same level.

    But Roy can shoot and pass better than Bynum. Andrew is not a great passer out of double teams and he is not as reliable from the mid range or the FT line as Roy.

    So, I'd say that Roy is more skilled although Bynum is overally a better player.

    That's my take, at least.
    Classic case of a player hitting the genetic lottery (Bynum). He has things that you can't teach (superior size and strength, nimble/quick feet, soft hands, etc) he's never needed to learn to shoot a 12-14 ft J because he doesn't need to. Never needed to learn to pass because he gets dominant low post position.

    Roy HAD to learn those things because though he's tall, he wasn't athletic, nimble nor particularly strong. There's no doubt that Bynum is the better player (given his physical gifts and natural ability) but Id agree that Roy is more skilled.

    One thing nobody mentions is the fact that Roy is A LOT more durable than Bynum. It'll be interesting to see if Bynum stays healthy now that he's the number one option in Philly.

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